Thread: I have finally figured it out...

Originally Posted by Dan40

Are you in the OWS where a total lack of knowledge of how a business MUST function is a requirement for membership?

If you pass a law that a US business cannot outsource. The entire business will leave the US and ALL their US jobs will be lost.

you must think Americans that run corps are very ANTI-AMERICAN to believe that, where is the patriotism, do republicans need to give them a pin?, we could just prohibit them from selling to Americans if they are so ANTI-AMERICAN, they ain't leaving

Originally Posted by FreshAir

yeah, the free market in Mexico looks lovely

False dichotomy, and proof that you do not have the knowledge base from which to intelligently respond.

Originally Posted by akphidelt2007

I think our current system provides the best platform for competition, for wealth creation, and for productivity. As much as you hate it, those 10s of millions of "comfortable" people provide billions of dollars to those non mediocre capitalists.

But wait a minute. Our current system is a capitalist system. It's a regulated system, yes, but it's still very much a capitalist system. That's the whole reason the comfortable people hate it. Because it doesn't share enough. Here you are claiming that it is the best system for competition, wealth creation, and productivity, but at the beginning of this discussion, you said this.....

Originally Posted by akphidelt2007

Capitalists are sick in the head... they'll abuse children, women, men, etc... all in the name of profit. And they have the ability to do so because they own the very resources that people need. A little bit of socialism goes a long way in giving some ownership to everyone, rather than all ownership to a few.

This sounds like a contradiction. Can you clarify what you mean here?

Originally Posted by akphidelt2007

What's the point of producing an iPhone if no one has the money to purchase them? But some how, a gadget selling company like Apple is now the largest corporation in the entire world.

You think they would be that way if 90% of the country had to work for the capitalists just to get food for the day and water and basic shelter? Of course not.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. People do have to work just to get food, water, and basic shelter. Are those things free where you live?

Originally Posted by FreshAir

republicans want to do away with the min wage, imagine what that world would look like, corps would not have to outsource for cheap wages, they could hire people for slave wages here

remember the only reason for doing away with the min wage is because some want to pay workers less then the min wage


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The minimum wage increases unemployment everytime it is raised. Of course the liberals and the leech party have no problem with that... it just means less people working and they love that.

Originally Posted by jthorp24

The minimum wage increases unemployment everytime it is raised. Of course the liberals and the leech party have no problem with that... it just means less people working and they love that.

Lol, what a crock of chit. According to this theory the unemployment rate would be 90% right now since all the times they raised the minimum wage, it has made us worse off.

Do conservatives even think before they talk?

Originally Posted by Unifier

But wait a minute. Our current system is a capitalist system. It's a regulated system, yes, but it's still very much a capitalist system. That's the whole reason the comfortable people hate it. Because it doesn't share enough. Here you are claiming that it is the best system for competition, wealth creation, and productivity, but at the beginning of this discussion, you said this.....

This sounds like a contradiction. Can you clarify what you mean here?

Eh, just a different interpretation. I was talking about the capitalists like yourself that want no minimum wage, barely any laws or regulations, etc. The capitalists in our current system might be like you, but they can't do it because there are laws and regulations. But there's no doubt that with out laws protecting laborers there are enough sickos out there that would take advantage of them.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. People do have to work just to get food, water, and basic shelter. Are those things free where you live?

No, they are not free. But if we have such a robust society that we can provide food, water, and shelter to the weaker members of society... I personally believe we should. It's not like it hurts the producers, it's not like it hurts the economy. The only possible reason to not do it is a philosophical reason, which is what you are describing. I care about the economy, I don't necessarily care about poor degenerates who leach off the Govt. I do not envy their ability to get $600 a month.

I think your economic approach would be disastrous to the rich, middle class, and lower class. We all feed off each other, and the economy is trickle up economy.

The thing conservatives and people like you really do not understand is how large of a role the Government plays in providing demand for our capitalists products. There is a reason we have so many billionaires and millionaires... it's not because we had a free market laissez-faire economy, it's because we have an organized, well managed, centrally planned, economic growth oriented economy.

Which is why the rest of the world is adopting our economy. Not because poor people get comfortable... but it provides massive demand for production. You are arguing a philosophical point rather than an economical point.

Originally Posted by akphidelt2007

Lol, what a crock of chit. According to this theory the unemployment rate would be 90% right now since all the times they raised the minimum wage, it has made us worse off.

Do conservatives even think before they talk?

Raising the minimum wage increases unemployment EVERY time it happens. It increases unemployment and employees often get their hours cut. This is an undeniable fact. I suggest you do some basic economic research before you embarrass yourself.

Originally Posted by jthorp24

Raising the minimum wage increases unemployment EVERY time it happens. It increases unemployment and employees often get their hours cut. This is an undeniable fact. I suggest you do some basic economic research before you embarrass yourself.

repubs keep saying that, but it never happens

repubs believe in tickle down... I believe the rich create jobs to get money the bottom 90% have

Originally Posted by jcarlilesiu

I finally understand how liberals view society including the intricacies of how members of this society exchange goods and services.

You can sum it up in one sentence. They have a great dislike for the concept of a free market. Everything is based around that simple concept.

Class warfare, subjective salaries, progressive taxation, opposition to profit. All of this is centered around their failure to have any amount of faith in the system.

They want to take us back to England at the time of our revolution and tell us what the peasants will earn, how much the wealthy will pay, who is allowed to keep the profits of their labor. They want to be King!

And to call themselves progressive. HA!

Liberals are like children receiving allowance, free room and board, handouts from their parents. They don't realize, often until it's too late, that NOTHING in life is free. And that everything worthy in life is paid for in blood, sweat, risk, toil, and great struggle. Liberals are deluded, and permanently entrenched in a childlike state of mind. Of course they want to control the wealth of nations, without legitimacy. Isn't this the very definition of liberalism, power without responsibility or wisdom???

Originally Posted by FreshAir

foreign outsourcing increases unemployment, so they should get rid of it.

This is a lie.

It destroys one job and creates another higher paying position in another industry or geographical location within the USA. If the guy whose job is destroyed cannot adapt to those circumstances that is his fault.

The uneducated do not have some inherent human right to have job security. In fact, the whole idea of "job security" for anyone as a human right is ridiculous on its face as it assumes a static economy.

The world is cruel and one must adapt to changing economic circumstances.