Gold is worhless in a fallen society... (Part 2)

**BleedingHeadKen** · Jun 13 2012, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by dujac

the evidence that i presented shows that people were free to create currency

Here was the question simplified:

1. Has there ever been a society where the government did not control the money supply?
2. If yes, then in that society, was everyone free to create a currency?
3. If yes, then, did everyone in that society create a currency?

The answer to #3 is clearly, no. Which was the intent of my question. Of course the answer to 1 and 2 were yes, or I wouldn't have asked #3. I just put all three questions in one sentence under the assumption that I was dealing with intelligent, thoughtful people. Short of crayons and construction paper, I don't know how I could illustrate the concept such that it would easier for you to understand. Given that I'm dealing with someone who, (self-) allegedly, has an advanced degree, I'm surprised that it was so difficult.

to assert that the answer is 'no' like you did, because everyone didn't do it, is ludicrous

I don't think in circles like you do, therefore, I wouldn't use question #3 to disprove one and two. If you had read the post by Akphidelt to which I was responding, you might have had a better understanding of the nature of my question.

you were wrong despite your ridiculous interpretation of the question

no, it's obvious you're the one that is confused

So now you accuse me of misinterpreting my own question.

**Dr. Righteous** · Jun 13 2012, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by dujac

on the website he founded: 'freedom force international'

"What he [edward flaherty] does not say is that the second draft that was passed into law was essentially the same as the first. The primary difference was that Senator Aldrich’s name was removed from the title of the bill and replaced by the names of Carter Glass and Robert Owen." G Edward Griffin

http://www.freedomforceinternational...n=meetflaherty

Good for you. Griffin's book The Creature from Jekyll Island describes in great detail the differences between the Federal Reserve Act and the Aldrich Plan. Others can read it and find out for themselves if Griffin listing the differences between the two bills amounts to being a "crazy conspiracy theory".

And you still have to explain why throughout that thread you continuously ignored most of the points I made that rebutted your comments.

**Random_Variable** · Jun 13 2012, 12:44 PM

I don't know why anyone is taking anything that clown says seriously. He hasn't supported a single one of his claims with anything other than "I have an advanced degree in economics" - which is a lie.

**dujac** · Jun 13 2012, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by BleedingHeadKen

3. If yes, then, did everyone in that society create a currency? The answer to #3 is clearly, no…

how much more ridiculous could you be?

Originally Posted by Dr. Righteous

Griffin's book The Creature from Jekyll Island…

it's a load of malarky and has been throughly debunked, just like his other crap has

http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/fl...flaherty1.html

**septimine** · Jun 13 2012, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by BleedingHeadKen

Here was the question simplified:

1. Has there ever been a society where the government did not control the money supply?
2. If yes, then in that society, was everyone free to create a currency?
3. If yes, then, did everyone in that society create a currency?

In most early societies, there was a barter system, which by definition is an economy in which "everyone makes a currency". I make bread you want,you make shoes I want, and then we trade. We just didn't use bits of paper as the basis for our trade. That's what the silk road was -- one guy started trading Chinese trade for some Greek goat meat and so on.

The answer to #3 is clearly, no. Which was the intent of my question. Of course the answer to 1 and 2 were yes, or I wouldn't have asked #3. I just put all three questions in one sentence under the assumption that I was dealing with intelligent, thoughtful people. Short of crayons and construction paper, I don't know how I could illustrate the concept such that it would easier for you to understand. Given that I'm dealing with someone who, (self-) allegedly, has an advanced degree, I'm surprised that it was so difficult.

Well, again, if you're willing to accept barter, then yes we did at one point "all create a currency" -- we switched to coins because coins are easier to fit into pockets than hogs. It's easier to value your hog at 7 gold coins of a given weight than drag the hog to the bazaar, and try to convince the tailor to take the pig as trade for 4-5 suits of clothes.

I don't think in circles like you do, therefore, I wouldn't use question #3 to disprove one and two. If you had read the post by Akphidelt to which I was responding, you might have had a better understanding of the nature of my question.

So now you accuse me of misinterpreting my own question.[/QUOTE]

**Dr. Righteous** · Jun 14 2012, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by dujac

it's a load of malarky and has been throughly debunked, just like his other crap has

http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/fl...flaherty1.html

We already went through this in another thread. I pointed out numerous inaccuracies and strawman arguments that were presented in the so-called "debunking". Also, the edition of CFJI they are referencing is almost 20 years out of date, and I couldn't even find some of the sentences they were quoting in the latest edition.

And your source is biased as it says it has a clear progressive agenda. No surprise they would continue to keep out of date information posted about a book that slams the progressive left for working with the banking elite to establish the Fed. Which did happen as proven by the OP in this thread.

After all of this was pointed out to you, you ran away and hid.

**dujac** · Jun 14 2012, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by Dr. Righteous

I pointed out numerous inaccuracies and strawman arguments that were presented in the so-called "debunking".

no you just avoided the truth

Originally Posted by Dr. Righteous

Which did happen as proven by the OP in this thread.

you obviously don't understand what proof is

all you did is show that you don't understand how to determine reliable information sources from unreliable ones

g edward griffin is one of the most unreliable sources of information there is

Originally Posted by Dr. Righteous

After all of this was pointed out to you, you ran away and hid.

that's a lie

**Dr. Righteous** · Jun 14 2012, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by dujac

no you just avoided the truth

No you did, by posting a biased source that intentionally contains inaccuracies and radically out of date information.

Originally Posted by dujac

you obviously don't understand what proof is

Feel free to explain why.

Originally Posted by dujac

all you did is show that you don't understand how to determine reliable information sources from unreliable ones

Feel free to refute the points made in the OP of that thread.

Originally Posted by dujac

g edward griffin is one of the most unreliable sources of information there is

I disagree with your opinion.

Originally Posted by dujac

that's a lie

It's your standard M.O. You frequently ignore it when your posts have been rebutted instead of admitting that you were wrong. Many forum members will attest to this.