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    Quote Originally Posted by Marine1 View Post
    Despite warnings of a potential wave of violent attacks hatched on U.S. soil, research by the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security finds that the number of attacks committed by Muslim Americans has fallen for the second year in a row. According to the study, 20 Muslim Americans carried out or were arrested for violent terrorist crimes in 2011, down from 26 in 2010 and 49 in 2009.

    Since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the report said, 193 Muslim Americans have been arrested or convicted of violent terrorist acts. Last year was an average year for such offenses, the Durham, N.C.-based center said.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1262501.html
    Would you let a high school student grade his own final exam? If so, would you believe him if he told you he got a "100"?
    "We live in oppressive times. We have, as a nation, become our own thought police; but instead of calling the process by which we limit our expression of dissent and wonder censorship, we call it concern for commercial viability." Mamet, David -

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marine1 View Post
    Despite warnings of a potential wave of violent attacks hatched on U.S. soil, research by the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security finds that the number of attacks committed by Muslim Americans has fallen for the second year in a row. According to the study, 20 Muslim Americans carried out or were arrested for violent terrorist crimes in 2011, down from 26 in 2010 and 49 in 2009.

    Since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the report said, 193 Muslim Americans have been arrested or convicted of violent terrorist acts. Last year was an average year for such offenses, the Durham, N.C.-based center said.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1262501.html
    Would you let a high school student grade his own final exam? If so, would you believe him if he told you he got a "100"?
    "We live in oppressive times. We have, as a nation, become our own thought police; but instead of calling the process by which we limit our expression of dissent and wonder censorship, we call it concern for commercial viability." Mamet, David -

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zosiasmom View Post
    Exactly, because you are a suspect. I don't want to be a suspect everywhere I go. I don't like living like that. It creates a horrible parent-child relationship with the government that I neither want, nor need.

    I've lived in countries that were not exactly under control and I've lived in cities that were like a war zone. It's scary, but...I'd rather live like that then live in a check in, under suspicion nation.

    Screw that. I'm to be blamed because our abysmal foreign policies created terrorists?

    The same government that brought us Al Qaida thinking that was a "solution" to a problem is the same government that says it has a solution to protect us from Al Qaida.

    That makes sense to you?
    I think the resolution is easy and simple. Like you I don't like being labeled as a suspect or strip searched so I don't fly. I drive or take the train instead. Its an easy tradeoff for keeping one's dignity.
    America Works Best When We Say "Union Yes"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marine1 View Post
    An artfully concealed non-metallic martial arts weapon called a “Tactical Spike” was found in the sock of a passenger at Pensacola (PNS) after being screened by a body scanner. The only thing I keep in my sock is my foot.
    7) Inert landmines were found at Salt Lake City (SLC). I always travel with mine, don’t you???
    6) A stun gun disguised as a smart phone was found at Los Angeles (LAX). Not very smart to travel with this stunning device.
    5) A flare gun with seven flares was found in a passenger’s carry-on bag at Norfolk (ORF). Hmmm… pressurized cabin + 7 live flares = no good can come from this.
    4) Two throwing knives concealed in hollowed out book were found at Washington National (DCA). Killer book…
    3) Over 1,200 firearms were discovered at TSA checkpoints across the nation in 2011. Many guns are found loaded with rounds in the chamber. Most passengers simply state they forgot they had a gun in their bag.
    2) A loaded .380 pistol was found strapped to passenger’s ankle with the body scanner at Detroit (DTW). You guessed it, he forgot it was there…
    1) Small chunks of C4 explosives were found in passenger’s checked luggage in Yuma (YUM). Believe it or not, he was brining it home to show his family.


    If you’re interested in reading about more finds such as these, be sure to read our weekly “TSA Week In Review” blog posts, posted every Friday.
    Honorable mentions:

    http://blog.tsa.gov/2012/01/tsa-top-...s-of-2011.html
    You forgot the deadly turtles/birds they've found, as well as the science experiment.

    10) Snakes, turtles, and birds were found at Miami (MIA) and Los Angeles (LAX). I’m just happy there weren’t any lions, tigers, and bears…
    9) A science project shut down a checkpoint at Omaha (OMA). I wonder if mentioning the shutting down of the checkpoint added enough flare to his presentation to score him some bonus points?

    http://blog.tsa.gov/2012/01/tsa-top-...s-of-2011.html

    Yeah, those quotes just ooze with professionalism. Apparently it's amature hour at the TSA site. Oh and I love the "delete-o-meter". Nothing but professional there. Anyway let me link my own list:

    Bag filled with primers explodes on landing
    http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...-after-flight/

    TSA misses a knife in a womans carry-on bag. After realizing the mistake, they put out a message stating that they are looking for a "tall asian male around 20". Link contains a pic of the x-ray, the knife is obvious.
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/t...o9JMO1hOdWPG6L

    Man brings loaded gun on plane, TSA misses it
    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=7848683

    TSA misses 200k stungun
    http://upgrd.com/matthew/tsa-misses-...ry-on-bag.html

    TSA misses loaded gun in luggage
    http://content.usatoday.com/communit...1#.T-d0H7XOyVo

    TSA misses box cutters
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_830234.html

    TSA searches a womans bag due to a bottle, miss antique knife
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/n..._content=Local

    Some of those incidents involved the person being tracked back down, most did not. Only one (the man with the gun) were reported by the person themselves to the media. Makes you wonder how many incidents of people passing weapons through the TSA are not reported. Well, lets look at their test results:

    "According to one report, undercover TSA agents testing security at a Newark airport terminal on one day in 2006 found that TSA screeners failed to detect concealed bombs and guns 20 out of 22 times. A 2007 government audit leaked to USA Today revealed that undercover agents were successful slipping simulated explosives and bomb parts through Los Angeles's LAX airport in 50 out of 70 attempts, and at Chicago's O'Hare airport agents made 75 attempts and succeeded in getting through undetected 45 times."
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/loaded...8#.T-d4X7XOyVo

    The Sun's recent article regarding security at Baltimore-Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport("Seized at the gate," April 16) omitted the most important statistics about the Transportation Security Administration's performance. The TSA misses 70 percent or more of weapons in testing, the TSA let 17 known terrorists fly past its vaunted behavior detection officers on 24 separate occasions without catching even one, and the TSA let at least 800 guns and a clearly-labeled five-pound block of C4 onto planes last year.
    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/201...er-gentry-harm

    Not too promising.
    If you support the NSA and domestic spying, the NDAA and the extrajudicial killing of US citizens overseas, the PATRIOT Act and the erosion of our rights it has caused, the TSA and the security theater it performs, and the militarization of our police and their lack of accountability, then you are a bigger threat to our freedom and way of life than any of the terrorist organizations that these items were enacted to fight could ever be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    I think the resolution is easy and simple. Like you I don't like being labeled as a suspect or strip searched so I don't fly. I drive or take the train instead. Its an easy tradeoff for keeping one's dignity.
    That's not a real solution. Why should airports be rights free zones just because a bunch of scared fools think being felt up makes them safer?
    If you support the NSA and domestic spying, the NDAA and the extrajudicial killing of US citizens overseas, the PATRIOT Act and the erosion of our rights it has caused, the TSA and the security theater it performs, and the militarization of our police and their lack of accountability, then you are a bigger threat to our freedom and way of life than any of the terrorist organizations that these items were enacted to fight could ever be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by My Fing ID View Post
    That's not a real solution. Why should airports be rights free zones just because a bunch of scared fools think being felt up makes them safer?
    Why are they 'fools' for being concerned about their safety? That's like calling someone a fool because they don't want to travel through a bad neighborhood at night alone because they fear for their safety.
    America Works Best When We Say "Union Yes"!

    When I tell you we agree to disagree, that means the discussion is over so don't waste your time trying to continue on with the discussion

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    Why are they 'fools' for being concerned about their safety? That's like calling someone a fool because they don't want to travel through a bad neighborhood at night alone because they fear for their safety.
    If the neighborhood isn't actually dangerous, and not going through it won't protect you anyway, then yeah, it's kind of foolish, isn't it?
    Be free.

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    Well you all convinced me. I think we should save the money and pull all TSA out and allow us our freedom to fly without harassment.
    Beam me up Scottie, no intelligent life down here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    Why are they 'fools' for being concerned about their safety? That's like calling someone a fool because they don't want to travel through a bad neighborhood at night alone because they fear for their safety.
    They're not fools for wanting to be safe, they are fools for believing that the patdowns and nudescans make them safe. As I've linked in an above post the TSA regularly misses bombs, guns, and terrorists. They're not stopping anything. Terrorism needs to be fought by our intelligence agencies, not by highschool dropouts with uniforms.
    If you support the NSA and domestic spying, the NDAA and the extrajudicial killing of US citizens overseas, the PATRIOT Act and the erosion of our rights it has caused, the TSA and the security theater it performs, and the militarization of our police and their lack of accountability, then you are a bigger threat to our freedom and way of life than any of the terrorist organizations that these items were enacted to fight could ever be.

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    Gestapo-like?

    Geez Jesse, get a grip. The TSA is not sending anyone to concentration camps. It's possible to want reforms without looking like a barking lunatic. And acting like a barking lunatic does not make one a brave freedom fighter. You are not in a police state because you were inconvenienced at a place you voluntarily went to.

    Real security -- as in well-trained agents -- costs money. We get what we pay for. We want cheap flights, so we pay for cattle-car style security.

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