Thread: Is cheap and clean energy is a suppressed reality?

Energy is BIG business with BIG money involved. I'm convinced that nearly free energy is already available. If energy cannot be bottled up, controlled and sold, then it is not allowed. This is not limited to fossil fuels, but also includes nuclear and electric power (Obama/GE's favorite).

Listen to the breakthroughs presented in this video and how they are denied the funding and freedom to produce. (Thank the State)

[QUOTE=NetworkCitizen;106138018 4]Energy is BIG business with BIG money involved. I'm convinced that nearly free energy is already available. If energy cannot be bottled up, controlled and sold, then it is not allowed. This is not limited to fossil fuels, but also includes nuclear and electric power (Obama/GE's favorite).

Listen to the breakthroughs presented in this video and how they are denied the funding and freedom to produce. (Thank the State)

It must be. I've been hearing about it since 1952. Cars that run on water but Standard Oil bought the patent and is hiding it. Batteries that never wear out but that patent was bought and hidden, too.

I just realized. It's genetic. The people who thought oil lamps were being kept in use by the whaling industry had children who thought the buggy industry was hiding wind-powered vehicles who had children who thought and so forth on down to today's generation.

Patents may be bought but are not hidden. That is silly conspiracy theory. Patents reside in the patent office and anyone with any will to do so can do a patent search.

Cost of energy is a very thoroughly studied field. The problem with most other forms of energy is the cost of producing it. For instance, wind may be free but the extraction, storage, and distribution is far from free. Some forms of energy like electricity can be produced fairly cheaply but storage is a problem. In fact electric cars today still only go as far as electric cars did 100 years ago. Without some kind of breakthrough in electric energy production or storage it will stay that way.

Coal and oil are still the most plentiful and easily stored forms of energy and overall considering those things, the cheapest. Moving to something else will happen when other forms of energy are available at the prices and convenience of coal and oil.

Originally Posted by PatrickT

I just realized. It's genetic. The people who thought oil lamps were being kept in use by the whaling industry had children who thought the buggy industry was hiding wind-powered vehicles who had children who thought and so forth on down to today's generation.

Lol... Best one I've seen on this seemingly neverending topic... Free energy nutters could be genetic, for sure.

There are a few energy sources in that video which have some merit. Magnetic propulsion seems promising. The United States military uses similar forces for the rail gun.

A true energy source of the future is thorium. Flibe Energy is a start-up leading the charge to use this energy source on a mass commercial scale.

Magnetic propulsion requires tremedous energy assets to already be available the navy figures to manage that requirement because all of their ships now have powerful nuclear power plants readily available.

Thorium looks interesting but lots of luck convincing Obama's green weanie allies to let you build nuclear power plants.
I'd also like to see more research done in the area of fusion power.

Originally Posted by Hoosier8

Cost of energy is a very thoroughly studied field. The problem with most other forms of energy is the cost of producing it. For instance, wind may be free but the extraction, storage, and distribution is far from free. Some forms of energy like electricity can be produced fairly cheaply but storage is a problem. In fact electric cars today still only go as far as electric cars did 100 years ago. Without some kind of breakthrough in electric energy production or storage it will stay that way.

Coal and oil are still the most plentiful and easily stored forms of energy and overall considering those things, the cheapest. Moving to something else will happen when other forms of energy are available at the prices and convenience of coal and oil.

If we were to pay for the oil hegemony motivated wars in the middle east.. add in all the bribe money we pay Pakistan, Afghnistan, Egypt, Israel. ..direct oil (welfare)subsidies and oil would cost over 300 dollars a barrel...

At present photoelectric conversion efficiency and under typical seasonal cycles and weather, a solar panel one square meter in area produces about .5 kilowatt-hours of energy per day. Since a barrel of oil contains 1700 kilowatt-hours of energy, it would take 3400 square meters of solar panels to produce the equivalent energy of a barrel of oil per day.

Currently, Iraqi oil fields produce 2.2 million barrels a day. To match this output with sunlight, we would need 7500 square kilometers of solar panels (= 2.2 million barrels x 3400 sq. meters/barrel). At a market price of $600 per square meter, the total cost of replacing Iraqi oil-produced energy with sunlight would be $4.5 trillion – approximately $410 million a day when amortized over a thirty year hardware lifetime. The equivalent cost in terms of oil-derived energy would then be $190 per barrel.

Expensive, yes, but the official cost of occupying Iraq is $400 million a day, which means that we are already paying a "war subsidy" of $180 a barrel for Iraqi oil!

Currently we are deficit-spending to fund our bloated military and all the war costs and oil hegemony motivated "foriegn aid".

Cut out all the oil related spending like subsidies, war, military related.. and Solar energy will be easily competitve with fossil fuels... add to that the benefits to our national security and new industry potential( solar panels have to be manufactured and replaced) and solar energy in the U.S is a no-brainer... if your intersted in the wellbeing of the U.S as a whole.. and not beholden to the Fossil Fuel industry and the Military Industrial Complex

Instead of Deficit spending to fund all these collateral costs...and the costs were added to all our energy consumption as a tax... Resdidential Solar Energy would take off like a proverbial rocket.

Good grief! A perpetual motion machine. caputo should know better.

BTW, thorium is a subset of fission nuclear.

As it is, if cheaper energy actually existed, someone would already be making money off of it.