Thread: The logic behind the Obamacare tax issue, and Obama's lack of integrity

Originally Posted by Dave1mo

Individual mandate? Check. Penalties for not having healthcare? Check. Extending health insurance to the poor? Check.

They laws are, in essence, the same thing; if the best you have is, "Well one's longer than the other!", you have lost the argument. Sorry.

There are so many other penalties, taxes, regulations, new beauracracies, limits, caps, IRS regs etc.

It doesn't compare to Romney's plan, not one (*)(*)(*)(*)ing iota.

Originally Posted by Consmike

There are so many other penalties, taxes, regulations, new beauracracies, limits, caps, IRS regs etc.

It doesn't compare to Romney's plan, not one (*)(*)(*)(*)ing iota.

Another blanket statement with no facts to back it up. So pathetic.

Originally Posted by Dan40

Is English NOT your first language? There is no such thing as a LAW that was never passed. There are only bills that never passed. and even some bills that passed the house, HB-xx AND the Senate, SB-xx that were VETOED and never became LAWS.

And since I'm a registered INDEPENDENT, what dumbass party are you referring to? The Democrat Party is the only dumbass Party that ever passed a mandate law, on a state or federal level.

Bob and weave all you want. The unconstitutional mandate may just be the blow that knocks out the incompetent fool b.o. The economy and his failed policies already have him hanging on the ropes.

Yeah, you sure are an independent; "liberalism,, the new front name for,, communism"

Those are LAWS that did not pass. Conservatives wanted a mandate to stop the freeloaders. That's a FACT. You only didn't want it after Obama adopted the idea, which is supported by the fact that Romney campaigned on the mandate in 08.

Originally Posted by Consmike

There are so many other penalties, taxes, regulations, new beauracracies, limits, caps, IRS regs etc.

With the creation of Romneycare in Massachusetts, who did you think was going to pick up the penalties, taxes, write and enforce regulations, limits, caps, ect? The Department of Motor Vehicles?

Surely you can't be this uninformed on the subject. This is amazing.

Originally Posted by Consmike

It doesn't compare to Romney's plan, not one (*)(*)(*)(*)ing iota.

The Obama administration used the same advisers and experts that Massachusetts used for their plan. The only thing that the Affordable Care Act is missing is Romney's signature. It's the same plan, only on a grander scale.

No more tears please.

Originally Posted by Sent

With the creation of Romneycare in Massachusetts, who did you think was going to pick up the penalties, taxes, write and enforce regulations, limits, caps, ect? The Department of Motor Vehicles?

Surely you can't be this uninformed on the subject. This is amazing.



The Obama administration used the same advisers and experts that Massachusetts used for their plan. The only thing that the Affordable Care Act is missing is Romney's signature. It's the same plan, only on a grander scale.

No more tears please.

He's very, very ignorant on this whole topic.

Originally Posted by Dave1mo

Yeah, you sure are an independent; "liberalism,, the new front name for,, communism"

Those are LAWS that did not pass. Conservatives wanted a mandate to stop the freeloaders. That's a FACT. You only didn't want it after Obama adopted the idea, which is supported by the fact that Romney campaigned on the mandate in 08.

Why you insist on being smart as a sidewalk and intentionally misusing words to try to make a completely lost point shows a definite lack of maturity. But in case it's only a lack of knowledge, here is some information for you to try to absorb:

law (lô)
n.
1. A rule of conduct or procedure established by custom, agreement, or authority.

bill 1 (bl)

a. A draft of a proposed law presented for approval to a legislative body.

When a bill is NOT approved, it remains a non-approved BILL, not a non-approved LAW.

A law is a bill that has been approved into law, and remains a law until its established expiration date or its repeal. Then it becomes an expired law or a repealed law. It never becomes a bill again.

And again, if obamaTAX is good, why are you trying to shift the BLAME for it to Republicans? Do loony liberals find BLAME in good laws? Do loony liberals EVER make any sense?

And I said that I am NOT a Republican, I am a registered INDEPENDENT, and have been for years. And you make some lame comment about liberalism in my signature. Evidently you have numerous language difficulties. There is a Democrat Party, there is a Republican Party, there are other Parties, including the Libertarian Party. THERE IS NO LIBERALISM PARTY. Some Democrats are not very liberal, most have been FORCED out by the obamaTAX passage. And there are Democrats that are insanely liberal. And there are Republicans that are too liberal and are being weeded out by the tea party (NOT an official party)

If you understood our language, you might have deduced that I am very conservative and very anti-liberal. But neither a member of the Republican Party nor a member of the Democratic Party [although I once WAS a registered Democrat until I could no longer stand the lies and stupidity]

Originally Posted by Dan40

Why you insist on being smart as a sidewalk and intentionally misusing words to try to make a completely lost point shows a definite lack of maturity. But in case it's only a lack of knowledge, here is some information for you to try to absorb:

law (lô)
n.
1. A rule of conduct or procedure established by custom, agreement, or authority.

bill 1 (bl)

a. A draft of a proposed law presented for approval to a legislative body.

When a bill is NOT approved, it remains a non-approved BILL, not a non-approved LAW.

A law is a bill that has been approved into law, and remains a law until its established expiration date or its repeal. Then it becomes an expired law or a repealed law. It never becomes a bill again.

And again, if obamaTAX is good, why are you trying to shift the BLAME for it to Republicans? Do loony liberals find BLAME in good laws? Do loony liberals EVER make any sense?

And I said that I am NOT a Republican, I am a registered INDEPENDENT, and have been for years. And you make some lame comment about liberalism in my signature. Evidently you have numerous language difficulties. There is a Democrat Party, there is a Republican Party, there are other Parties, including the Libertarian Party. THERE IS NO LIBERALISM PARTY. Some Democrats are not very liberal, most have been FORCED out by the obamaTAX passage. And there are Democrats that are insanely liberal. And there are Republicans that are too liberal and are being weeded out by the tea party (NOT an official party)

If you understood our language, you might have deduced that I am very conservative and very anti-liberal. But neither a member of the Republican Party nor a member of the Democratic Party [although I once WAS a registered Democrat until I could no longer stand the lies and stupidity]

1) If you were a registered independent, you would be railing against the Republicans in your signature as well. Instead you devote it entirely to (poorly written) anti-Democrat rhetoric.

2) I'm giving Republicans credit for being willing to address a healthcare issue as well as 1989, even though I believe a single-payer system would be much more efficient than the individual mandate. I'm also calling out the blind party-liners who won't admit that the individual mandate, this "destruction of freedom," was concocted by their own ideologues.

3) It was a proposed law by conservatives who are now SCREAMING about the "liberals and their attack on our freedom." It's hypocrisy, and it's a shame that you can't pull your head out of your ass long enough to acknowledge it.

Originally Posted by Sent

With the creation of Romneycare in Massachusetts, who did you think was going to pick up the penalties, taxes, write and enforce regulations, limits, caps, ect? The Department of Motor Vehicles?

Surely you can't be this uninformed on the subject. This is amazing.



The Obama administration used the same advisers and experts that Massachusetts used for their plan. The only thing that the Affordable Care Act is missing is Romney's signature. It's the same plan, only on a grander scale.

No more tears please.

The state will. Obamacare is much more expansive, costly, wasteful, taxing than anything Romney put together.

Why are you so in love with Obamacare? not able to take care of yourself, so you need government to do it for you?

Originally Posted by Consmike

The state will. Obamacare is much more expansive, costly, wasteful, taxing than anything Romney put together.

Why are you so in love with Obamacare? not able to take care of yourself, so you need government to do it for you?

I, personally, don't like paying for free-riders with my premiums.

Originally Posted by Dave1mo

1) If you were a registered independent, you would be railing against the Republicans in your signature as well. Instead you devote it entirely to (poorly written) anti-Democrat rhetoric.

2) I'm giving Republicans credit for being willing to address a healthcare issue as well as 1989, even though I believe a single-payer system would be much more efficient than the individual mandate. I'm also calling out the blind party-liners who won't admit that the individual mandate, this "destruction of freedom," was concocted by their own ideologues.

3) It was a proposed law by conservatives who are now SCREAMING about the "liberals and their attack on our freedom." It's hypocrisy, and it's a shame that you can't pull your head out of your ass long enough to acknowledge it.

Republicans ARE NOT in charge right now. Haven't been since Jan 2007. If you cared to look back I have consistently said Bush was a bad president. That he was not as bad as the wholly incompetent obama is a separate issue. I have also said many times that I distrust Republicans about 98%, and 100% distrust .
Democrats.

And its laughable that a rock head that insists on giving words meanings they don't have, thinks he is competent to comment on my writing ability. You may not appreciate it but I have been PAID and published for writing. But with all the junk available to read today, that's no great claim to fame.

What I do know in this thread about obamaTAX is that this horribly BAD law WILL 100%, no question, costs TRILLIONS more than projected. It WILL not reduce the costs of health care. It will not improve the service OR coverage of healthcare. It will be just another huge government bureaucratic, expensive, boondoggle. All that was true before the SCOTUS ruling, and remains true today. And how can I make such a prediction? Simple. You CANNOT name any US govt project that did not end up exactly like that. Higher cost, and poorer results, is the end game of all government ventures in the business world.