Thread: Outsourcing is NOT wrong or evil. It is vital and necessary!

Originally Posted by SiliconMagician

Many, Many economic studies have been done and they all have unanimously shown that the advantages of free trade and outsourcing far outweigh the negative aspects. All of them show that for every job outsourced, another one opens up in another industry or goegraphical location within the USA. Liberals (and some libertarians) need to get off this obsession with protectionism. We can either innovate, educate, adapt and overcome, or our economy dies. It really is that simple. There is so much ignorance regarding outsourcing that it just boggles my mind.

There is no conspiracy to destroy American jobs out of greed.

I agree...

But why were you complaining once again, about a week or two ago, about made-up unfair trade tactics (~ protectionism) coming from China and Europe?

Hmmmmmmmm?

I guess this thread is a sign of your confession that you often pull things out of your ass, SiliconMagician...

Oh, and of course Republicans are not to blame for American protectionist policies ~ are you kidding me?! LMAO! LOL!

=> Big bussiness had a direct line to the White House under G.W. Bush -- for example -- he imposed steel tarriffs because he was asked to do so. Got smacked down by the WTO though!

Originally Posted by woodystylez

Outsourcing is a good thing. But the current tax cuts for outsourcing promote outsourcing. Anyone with a brain can see the difference. Too much of anyting is a bad thing.

Very true indeed.

Originally Posted by kreo

Nice, the problem is that I can't hire foreign professionals, but any company can disregard U.S. laws and use slave labor in other countries. So either change the laws in the U.S. or force U.S. companies abide U.S. laws if they sell products here. That would be relatively fair practice.

The U.S. cannot enforce it's labor laws in other countries, but if you're aware of any company using slave labor I encourage you to take your documentation to the media. The resulting publicity will likely have the effect you're looking for.

Why can't you hire foreign professionals?

Originally Posted by woodystylez

Outsourcing is a good thing. But the current tax cuts for outsourcing promote outsourcing. Anyone with a brain can see the difference. Too much of anyting is a bad thing.

Can you provide more information on these tax cuts for outsourcing?

Originally Posted by liberalminority

Foreign professionals work for less than Americans because they usually come from either third world countries like asia or africa, or high socialist countries in europe which makes them less likely to negotiate with an employer for a high salary.

This puts Americans at a handicapp because they are entitled to higher salaries being Americans and the business owners are unpatriotic when they choose to outsource rather than hire Americans to make more profits.

Why are American's entitled to higher salaries for the same work?

Originally Posted by SiliconMagician

Many, Many economic studies have been done and they all have unanimously shown that the advantages of free trade and outsourcing far outweigh the negative aspects. All of them show that for every job outsourced, another one opens up in another industry or goegraphical location within the USA. Liberals (and some libertarians) need to get off this obsession with protectionism. We can either innovate, educate, adapt and overcome, or our economy dies. It really is that simple. There is so much ignorance regarding outsourcing that it just boggles my mind.

There is no conspiracy to destroy American jobs out of greed.

I'll repeate what I said on another thread as to outsourcing and add to it.


"Not sure I see much of a benefit to the average American. Joe Schmo on a whole doesn't seem able to get another job that pays any way near the job he lost, if he can find one at all.

Yes, I am sure I can buy a toaster a few dollars cheaper made in China. I'm sure if we still made televisions here it would cost about $50.00-$100.00 more made here. But how often do we need to buy a toaster, television, DVD player and etc? The products we buy abroad might save us a thousand dollars a year, but if you lose a job that paid $20.00 an hour and can only find another paying ten or twelve and no benefits, how have the American people made out? Even if you haven't lost your job, many companies are cutting pay and benefits, or holding down raises.

Our legislators started NAFTA and Free Trade knowing some factories would move out to low paying countries. They figured that if they could create jobs abroad, we could export more of our goods to them. It would also hold down wages and benefits here that were raising much to fast. Trouble is, we didn't require them to put on any environmental rules, or pay a minimum wage. That opened the flood gates to our companies to flee this country. So many have left, we make nothing here that the average Mexican or Chinese can buy. It's all made in their own country now. Our exports are mostly big ticket items to big companies and to governments. So what we had hoped for never materialized, except holding down wages and benefits here and putting millions of Americans out of work. I think that's a pretty poor trade off. "

What outsourcing and free trade has done, is bring us better and cheaper products through competition. That part is good. But when weighed against the job loses and what it has done to our economy, I don't think it was worth it. If we had put on some restrictions on Free Trade, I think it could have worked. But we didn't.

Originally Posted by Taxpayer

[INDENT]The U.S. cannot enforce it's labor laws in other countries, but if you're aware of any company using slave labor I encourage you to take your documentation to the media. The resulting publicity will likely have the effect you're looking for.

Why can't you hire foreign professionals?[/INDENT]

We could have at least required a minimum wage be paid in those countries as part of a Free Trade and NAFTA agreement. We could have demanded that.

Originally Posted by FreshAir

except our data, we are losing control of the information and we all know information is power, corps have sold America out

Not sure what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Taxpayer

The U.S. cannot enforce it's labor laws in other countries, but if you're aware of any company using slave labor I encourage you to take your documentation to the media. The resulting publicity will likely have the effect you're looking for.

Why can't you hire foreign professionals?

Didn't seem to work with Apple.

Originally Posted by Marine1

I'll repeate what I said on another thread as to outsourcing and add to it.


"Not sure I see much of a benefit to the average American. Joe Schmo on a whole doesn't seem able to get another job that pays any way near the job he lost, if he can find one at all.

Yes, I am sure I can buy a toaster a few dollars cheaper made in China. I'm sure if we still made televisions here it would cost about $50.00-$100.00 more made here. But how often do we need to buy a toaster, television, DVD player and etc? The products we buy abroad might save us a thousand dollars a year, but if you lose a job that paid $20.00 an hour and can only find another paying ten or twelve and no benefits, how have the American people made out? Even if you haven't lost your job, many companies are cutting pay and benefits, or holding down raises.

Our legislators started NAFTA and Free Trade knowing some factories would move out to low paying countries. They figured that if they could create jobs abroad, we could export more of our goods to them. It would also hold down wages and benefits here that were raising much to fast. Trouble is, we didn't require them to put on any environmental rules, or pay a minimum wage. That opened the flood gates to our companies to flee this country. So many have left, we make nothing here that the average Mexican or Chinese can buy. It's all made in their own country now. Our exports are mostly big ticket items to big companies and to governments. So what we had hoped for never materialized, except holding down wages and benefits here and putting millions of Americans out of work. I think that's a pretty poor trade off. "

What outsourcing and free trade has done, is bring us better and cheaper products through competition. That part is good. But when weighed against the job loses and what it has done to our economy, I don't think it was worth it. If we had put on some restrictions on Free Trade, I think it could have worked. But we didn't.

There's a natural wage for labor, it's not what you've been told you're "entitled to", but what the market will pay for that type of work. If you demand $20 an hour to unload a truck, they will probably pass over you in favor of the 4 guys they can hire for $5 an hour. So at that point you have a choice. You can either put your expectations in line with the real market for your labor, or you can continue to not have a job unloading trucks. You cannot force someone to pay more than they are willing to pay. They'll most likely cross the nearest border to a place where it's cheaper to unload trucks.

It's not a trade off, it's a simple question of the environment -- you are demanding something that the environment cannot provide. It didn't work for the dinosaurs, and it won't work for us. Evolve.