Thread: Banning guns = higher crime rate.

Originally Posted by Jallen289

To compare the crime rate in Australia to the crime rate in the US isn't practical. The population in Australia is 22,620,600, compared to 311,591,917 in the US. source: World Bank

As to the self defense subject, since it seems that we've now changed to that discussion, in Australia there is no "stand your ground," as there is in the States. I'm not completely positive what the person was saying when they used the words "illegal to defend yourself," however, it is a gray area in the law.

"Broadly speaking, self-defence is raised as evidence in matters where the person has committed an offence against another person resulting from a personal attack, or an attack on another party." http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/4...l-matters.aspx

Here, stand your ground laws protect citizens from ever being charged. In Australia, self defense is only used as a defense after the person has been charged and is in court. This essentially means that even if you're acting in self-defense, you're going to court. This could be interpreted as being "illegal," because you are charged regardless. Also, you cannot just "use a gun." You have to use force that is necessary to your situation. If you use a gun to ward off a knife wielding robber, self-defense will not work so well.

You can't claim a much larger population in defence of your argument. It's the figures per capita (per head), of population which are statistically relevant.

Originally Posted by snakestretcher

You can't claim a much larger population in defence of your argument. It's the figures per capita (per head), of population which are statistically relevant.

This. Population size is not really relevant.

Originally Posted by Jallen289

Banning guns = higher crime rate.
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If so, please explain why the NL has emptying prisons. We are renting out prison spaces to other countries (nice earner).

We have very very few guns.

Originally Posted by Leffe

If so, please explain why the NL has emptying prisons. We are renting out prison spaces to other countries (nice earner).

We have very very few guns.

NL is surrounded guns. Canada has 23 firearms per 100 people.

"In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 179 countries, Canada ranked at No. 13"

To say "we don't have many guns," is completely incorrect. This is multiple times now someone has said "we don't have that many guns," and in reality they do.

I've provided more than enough evidence and my opponents have helped me out along the way.

I'm done being trolled and anybody who reads this thread in it's entirety will understand why.

The most recent question about Newfoundland just proves that having more guns, which NL and Canada in general have a stockpile per capita, lowers crime rate. It's everywhere.

Originally Posted by Blasphemer

This. Population size is not really relevant.

Incorrect.

The rate is an average. Population will effect the rate. Allow me to explain this one last thing, lol.

If you have 1000 people in a warehouse and 250 people have guns, than the rate is 1 in 4. If you have 10,000 people in a warehouse and you want the same rate, than there would have to be 2,500 people with guns. Now the rate is the same. 1 in 4. But don't you think it matters to know that hidden inside that rate is a warehouse that has 2,500 gun owners as opposed to 250?

Originally Posted by Jallen289

The higher crime rates in Australia, England and Great Briton are all directly connected to gun restrictions.

Look at the murder rate in those countries and then lets talk.

Originally Posted by Turin

Look at the murder rate in those countries and then lets talk.

Murder rate is low violent crime is up. Lessen the gun restrictions and places like the U.K. wouldn't be considered one of the most dangerous cluster of states on earth. As far as violent crime goes, U.K. is number one followed by South Africa. I've look at my fair share of stats on this debate. Maybe you should do some research and provide it here as opposed to asking me to find information, that I've already posted on this thread by the way.

Originally Posted by Jallen289

NL is surrounded guns. Canada has 23 firearms per 100 people.

"In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 179 countries, Canada ranked at No. 13"

To say "we don't have many guns," is completely incorrect. This is multiple times now someone has said "we don't have that many guns," and in reality they do.

I've provided more than enough evidence and my opponents have helped me out along the way.

I'm done being trolled and anybody who reads this thread in it's entirety will understand why.

The most recent question about Newfoundland just proves that having more guns, which NL and Canada in general have a stockpile per capita, lowers crime rate. It's everywhere.

NL, Netherlands is bordered by Germany and Belgium. Buy a world atlas.

Originally Posted by lizarddust

NL, Netherlands is bordered by Germany and Belgium. Buy a world atlas.

Many smaller countries that have low amounts of guns are not restricted, they are just surrounded by countries with large stockpiles per 100,000. This is the case with Netherlands as well. While the gun rate in Netherlands is relatively low, the gun rate is very high in Germany and the gun related homicide rate is very low. "In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Germany ranked at No. 4"

"Unlawfully held guns cannot be counted, but in Germany there are estimated to be 17,000,000"

From 2007 to 2010, the gun related homicide rate in Germany was .02 per 100,000.

"In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Belgium ranked at No. 39" This is a relatively high number of guns as well, and that's just privately owned guns.

"The number of registered guns in Belgium is reported to be 641,781 to 870,000"

In 2005, which is the last year that I can find that I'd trust fully, the gun related homicide rate in Belgium was .44 per 100,000.

These are incredibly high stockpiles per 100,000, and incredibly low homicide numbers.

This will be the same with just about every country you give me. It's been the same for every country you've mentioned, and even a few I mistakenly thought you mentioned, lol.

So I don't need a world map as bad as you need a new ideology.

Almost forgot source...

www.gunpolicy.org