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Old 01-30-2008, 07:51 AM
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Rogue Superpower, pretty obvious definition SS.......

Bully is another word we might use, has the same connotations.

True, were doing what every other Superpower did when they had a hegemony going on, but shouldn't we really be doing something different since you know we a had a democratic revolution to overthrow people who were exploiting us?

People get really annoyed with us (especially our true democratic allies) because they expect more of the 'City on the Hill'.
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"Bully". Yep. That's an accurate word. I've heard that exact word, in about seventeen different languages, this past year. Yep, I would say, that's right on target.

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Interesting idea.

But what happens when the UDN wants to make an international law that, though good for pretty much everyone on Earth, is bad for some corporation that happens to be chipping in for the campaigns of American politicians at the moment?
By "international law", you probably mean "world law". The UDN would not comprise all nations, and would not focus on world law, but rather cooperate to the democratic countries advantage as opposed to the world's dictatorships. The UDN would try to find ways to assist the peoples victimized by the dicatorship regimes. Also, the attempts at "international law" have been mostly a failure - I don't think it's useful to be concerned with that concept.
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"Bully". Yep. That's an accurate word. I've heard that exact word, in about seventeen different languages, this past year. Yep, I would say, that's right on target.
Yaaaa - we "bullied" saddam. Before that we "bullied" the soviet union. Before that we "bullied" the nazis.

Your posts are turning into a cornucopia of nonsense.
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Enslaving the South American's since the turn of the century, supporting Military Junta's as long as they maintained the flow of goods. Yeah, I would say that's bullying and not standing up for democracy.

Attacking Iraq in the 1990's instead of stopping the Civil War in Rwanda in which 800,000 civilians died in a month due to machetes, yeah I would say Bully protecting it's own interests under the guise of maintaining 'International Security'.

Going into South East Asia, to prevent the spread of Communism by killing 2,000,000 Vietnamese.

These type of things really help our stance of the 'Bastion of Democracy'.
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By "international law", you probably mean "world law". The UDN would not comprise all nations, and would not focus on world law, but rather cooperate to the democratic countries advantage as opposed to the world's dictatorships. The UDN would try to find ways to assist the peoples victimized by the dicatorship regimes. Also, the attempts at "international law" have been mostly a failure - I don't think it's useful to be concerned with that concept.
You really sound like you're in favor of the "North American Union", which would pose a much greater threat to our sovereignty then the UN. As anyone who knows about the UN understands, they don't pass BILLS, or Legilsation/laws of any sort. They pass Resolutions, which depending on how they're written can be considered either suggestions or demands, none of which can be _enforced_ without the approval of the Security Council, which the US has veto-power over.

The UN is utterly incapable of infringing on US sovereignty, and everything it does do is done with the consent and complicity of the federal government. Yes, GW Bush is obsessed with instituting a Startrek-like global govt.

Here's the UN charter for those who are interested in how the organization works: http://www.hrweb.org/legal/unchartr.html
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You really sound like you're in favor of the "North American Union", which would pose a much greater threat to our sovereignty then the UN. As anyone who knows about the UN understands, they don't pass BILLS, or Legilsation/laws of any sort. They pass Resolutions, which depending on how they're written can be considered either suggestions or demands, none of which can be _enforced_ without the approval of the Security Council, which the US has veto-power over.

The UN is utterly incapable of infringing on US sovereignty, and everything it does do is done with the consent and complicity of the federal government. Yes, GW Bush is obsessed with instituting a Startrek-like global govt.

Here's the UN charter for those who are interested in how the organization works: http://www.hrweb.org/legal/unchartr.html
Good thing the North American Union is a mythical thing that no politician D or R has ever mentioned or endorsed. No different than the dreaded ban on killing unicorns, which would harm our economy and threaten hunters rights.

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By "international law", you probably mean "world law". The UDN would not comprise all nations, and would not focus on world law, but rather cooperate to the democratic countries advantage as opposed to the world's dictatorships. The UDN would try to find ways to assist the peoples victimized by the dicatorship regimes. Also, the attempts at "international law" have been mostly a failure - I don't think it's useful to be concerned with that concept.
No, by "international law" I mean "international law." "World law" would apply to the whole world. "International law" just means agreements between nations. As in, the United States would (presumably) be a willing member of this organization, and would therefore willingly agree to abide by its laws.

North Korea, not being democratic, would presumably not be qualified for membership in the UDN, and would therefore not be subject to its agreements.
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Good thing the North American Union is a mythical thing that no politician D or R has ever mentioned or endorsed. No different than the dreaded ban on killing unicorns, which would harm our economy and threaten hunters rights.

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It's not mythical at all. The politicians don't mention it because it would be bad for them politicially and would hurt the cause. Open your eyes for a change. There are many people who are working for a gobal government fantasy, akin to what we see on Startrek; and to do that they're fighting tooth and nail to destroy national cultures, (especially in America, which has a culture of feedom) which are an impediment to that.

It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to see that the schools and media are controlled by these people, and the Bush family is a member of that group, as are the Clintons.
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Enslaving the South American's since the turn of the century, supporting Military Junta's as long as they maintained the flow of goods. Yeah, I would say that's bullying and not standing up for democracy.

Attacking Iraq in the 1990's instead of stopping the Civil War in Rwanda in which 800,000 civilians died in a month due to machetes, yeah I would say Bully protecting it's own interests under the guise of maintaining 'International Security'.

Going into South East Asia, to prevent the spread of Communism by killing 2,000,000 Vietnamese.

These type of things really help our stance of the 'Bastion of Democracy'.
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