We started out with one dictatorship member, and now there are dozens!

Yaaaaaaa - sure to work out fine.

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Blade: "more educated and literate people than Justabubba"

Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

I don't laugh at these events, but I see beneath the simple-minded standard anti-american versions of that history that has been concocted for the easily-brainwashed. And the cure for the brainwashed is no more complicated than carefully studying the reasons for US actions, PLUS the general context of world conflict between the US and the soviets during that era. Unfortunately, the "vastly" outnumbering pawns are unable to bring themselves to make even that simple effort.

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Blade: "more educated and literate people than Justabubba"

Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

Blade, did we or did we not support Democracy in Iran by upholding the Shah? Did we or did we not support democracy in Chile with Pinochet?

Answer me that, I want to see your perverted view of the truth.

So please, entertain me, back up your words with examples, oh wait there are none.

How silly of me to not realize the ignorant, dreamlike state you and so many other American's live in, My bad man, My bad.

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I'll tell you this no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn
Nothing to kill or die for and no religion too
You may bury my body, down by the highway side,
so my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride.

Understimate? No.

Semms, you're talking about Chechnya, right? So, fell free to post some valid evidences that Russians lost that campaign. I am waiting for response.

As for "America can globally blah, blah,blah..." - try oust government of Castro or Chavez.
Hell, you can not even stop illegal immigration from Mexican States while boasting about some "global operations"!

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'Couldn't agree with you more!'
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Y'know, I think I have some concept of history and stuff, and I don't get from it that America is always right.

Don't mind his being so condescending, for some reason Blade thinks he has a monopoly over the truth.
His point of view is HIS, and we all know how self-important he can get about HIS opinion.

Don't fall for the "if you don't think like me than you're uneducated" trick!
For some reason, Blade thinks that he's a Jedi Knight, but he doesn't realize that his Jedi-mind-tricks don't work on anyone.

With that said. The so-called "Pons" exist on both sides of this issue. The vast majority is full of people who know about the United States history, and they all agree that Genocide and mass killings are not justified. Blade, who is in the vast minority, understood (when he was 18 ) that Genocide is needed at times, and that as long as the "Greater Good" is our governments policy, we can support some of the most malicious people in our planets recent history, regardless of circumstances (Example: Stalin during WW2 vs. Suharto during his coup and reign).

There are many people (on Blade’s side) who are unknowledgeable, they simply believe in the "Greater Good", and they continue to "Support our Troops" without thinking about what our troops are actually doing in Iraq, and why?

They are the same people who believe that we're (the United States) "The world champions of Peace", when in reality our government has been terrorizing many regions and nations for self-gain, and other imperialistic notions. They pledge allegiance, chant rhetorical slogans and believe, for whatever reason, that if you criticize any of our government’s actions you are simply unpatriotic.

In reality, they themselves criticize our government very oten, but they will disapprove of different issues, and for whatever reason, they somehow believe that this double standard is non-existent on their part.

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Blade,
In your posts the word “analyst” appears under your name. Nice to see that this forum has a sense of humor. Why? Let’s look at the following in an attempt to elevate the debate on this very important theme to above that of name-calling, insults, empty rhetoric and pre-Logic 101 reasoning:

Now, look at the analytical content of these posts of yours, Blade. Correct, there isn’t any. You just make subjective statements without any support. Yet you appear to be proud of your own contributions but derogatory of those who quote examples. Maybe you can stop with the personal insults and instead, improve the quality of your posts.

You appear to hold your intellectual analysis in high esteem, but your documentation of your thinking is empty, and yet you accuse others of being childlike and simple-minded. Perhaps you should ask yourself “Who is showing simple-mindedness?"

You revel in your historical appreciation and your debating skills. But all that you do is insult people whose contributions are far superior to yours (“unfortunate skull; don’t have the IQ; simple-minded; etc).

Thanks for the refereeing Ziggy. The score at half-time in this thread is:

Fear-and-Loathing 10 – Blade 0.5

So instead of making us read through your baseless statements of faith, why don’t we get back to the theme of this thread, and if you have support for your contention that F-and-L’s rebuttal on the Shah is simply anti-American BS, prove it Blade. Because my reading over 3 decades tells me that he is spot on the number.

The second half is about to begin. You have the ball Blade. Let’s try to make this a debate and not a baseless soliloquy - OK? Blade, you were saying about the Shah ...... ? Remind us what the US did in post-1953, why we did it, and, perehaps, what effect it might have had on events there in 1979. Then relate this to this type of analysis being mindless anti-American BS. Or have a go at F-andL's example of Chile in the mid-1970's

What did Blade get 0.5 points for exactly?

He thinks that Genocide is needed at times for the "Greater Good", that way of thinking reminds me of this leader Germany once had that went by the name of Hitler.

If that's what he believes, what is this debate even about?

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The Ziggy Articles

I dunno now.

Blade was trying to figure out why a US vs. the World mentality has arisen. I explained it, he ignored it. Like you were saying Ziggy, Genocide doesn't phase him. If Genocide did phase him, then I think this thread would be over

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I'll tell you this no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn
Nothing to kill or die for and no religion too
You may bury my body, down by the highway side,
so my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride.

Is this the reincarnation of Spiro T Agnew? Maybe you could use nattering nabobs of negativism in one of your posts soon maybe?