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Why does this exist?
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That would be because of the 4th Amendment:
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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I understand that it does exist. What i'm asking is why it exists.
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"Those have nothing to hide hide nothing."

While that may be somewhat true, people still like their privacy. I'm a huge privacy advocate. Maybe it's because I think along the lines of "if it doesn't harm you, then stay outta people's business."
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I understand that it does exist. What i'm asking is why it exists.
Because the Constitution declared it to be so, and the Supreme Court affirmed this interpretation of that Amendment.

By declaration.

By interpretation.

Gee, what else is there????
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hmm... i've heard that in places other than texas the word, "Why" means something else.

ok.... let me rephrase...

what purpose does the right to privacy serve? that is what i am asking.
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"Those have nothing to hide hide nothing."

While that may be somewhat true, people still like their privacy. I'm a huge privacy advocate. Maybe it's because I think along the lines of "if it doesn't harm you, then stay outta people's business."
sometimes it does harm you though, for example, terrorists.

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our legal system today is getting bizarre.... on the presidents order we can detain U.S. without charges indefinately without letting them contact the outside world, but we can't search someone's house unless a judge orders it, and if we find something we weren't looking for, we can't use it.

eitherway, i strongly oppose this "enemy combatant" stuff, but i'm wondering if in light of our new terrorism problems, the right to privacy should be loosened a bit.
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Clara, you seem pretty educated about this kind of stuff:

If the right to privacy went away, could you give me an explanation of how this could be exploited by the government?

Its an interesting topic for discussion.
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Because it's in the Constitution worded the way it is, it won't ever go away, really, but the government has already eroded privacy in its attempts to re-define what "reasonable" is, what "probable cause" is, and added the element of whether or not a person is a public figure, and the element of whether or not you're in a public place where one shouldn't "reasonably" expect to be in private. Like that. The Patriot Act really has thrown definitions for a loop. Republicans love to guffaw over that line about "what the definition of 'is' is," but they're just as guilty (if not moreso) of committing judicial activism by doing exactly such splitting of semantic hairs.
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hmm... i've heard that in places other than texas the word, "Why" means something else.

ok.... let me rephrase...

what purpose does the right to privacy serve? that is what i am asking.

It exists in order to protect our Individuality as human beings. What I do with my time, when I am alone, and what goes on in my head is what makes me who I am. The fact that no one has the right to see and what what those things are gurantees that my individuality will continue to exist. If privacy is taken away, then our identities are taken as well. Then we become nothing more than droids that do as we are told.

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