I could understand supporting Romney or Huckabee in the primaries. That isn't what I'm asking about.

It's this pissing and moaning I'm starting to hear about not bothering to vote in the presidential election and such.

What is up with that? He's not the most conservative republican ever. But lets be honest, he's still a republican, and isn't that far off the parties platform. Hillary is quite different.

Seriously, AND VERY SPECIFICALLY, what do conservatives have against the guy compared to Hillary or Obama?

Why ask conservatives to compare him to hillary and obama? That's like saying "why criticize me? I'm better than the devil, aren't I?"

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Because of stuff like Coulter saying she'd rather have Hillary than McCain.

And the fact that if you're staying at home instead of voting and Hillary wins it's pretty much like voting for her. Especially since McCain will probably get plenty of independents so it'd be the conservative base that could cost him this thing. But some conservatives are saying they're considering doing just that.

And I'm having a hard time understanding why.

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There are several things that commonly come up (ANWR, global warming, campaign finance reform, Gang of 14) but most of those are fairly minor in the grand scheme of things. I think the biggest problem they have with him is that he's unpredictable -- he's a pragmatist.

He doesn't always stick to the party line and thus people get miffed when they spend a lot of sweat defending what they view as core beliefs (e.g. free speech) only to have McCain swing in with what he views as a practical solution to a problem (e.g. campaign finance reform).

Small government conservatives don't view government as a problem-solving entity, and thus do not like McCain's approach.

So tell me, do conservatives see a problem with the governmental situation as it stands now? Or is it just because he crosses party lines?

What do conservatives really want from the government? Or what should they really want? Is conservatism really so clear any longer?

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They want less from the government. They want fewer programs, less regulation, lower taxes, etc.

want a puppet they can manipulate (like "W") and Romney, McCain tells them to kiss his azz, I guess it hurts their self inflated egs.

Not many around these days, someone posted the list of conservative values a while back, the current administration so revered by some on this forum, violates nearly all of those values. Bush bought 90 percent of his votes and some folks are too stubborn to admit it.

I guess the point is: who decides what's right? Is it the American citizenry? Is it the people we elect? I am personally cynical about every politician because I think a good portion of them are in it for themselves, not the people they work for. They pass token legislation that only slap a bandaid on large problems in the hopes that's enough to keep them on the gravy train.

Term limits anyone?

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