That was REAL conservatives, not "liberal republicans", not RINOs, not fake republicans. This would exclude Crestwood and Nonsqtr.

For each republican president since Reagan, conservatives have had to accept "moderates" like George Bush. Now it's happening again. The attitude of such candidates has been conservatives have nowhere else to go. But do we? In 1976, Gerald Ford, yet another "moderate" republican, refused to make any concessions to ronald reagan - result: many conservatives stayed home, Ford lost, and we had four disastrous years of Jimmy Carter. BUT then Reagan was in for eight years. Although four years of Hillary is a dismaying prospect, isn't time that conservatives once again say screw the republican party and stay home? In the long run, this will remind the republican party that they can't take conservatives for granted.

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Not a conservative Republican, of course, but it seems to me that you'll get two possible results:

1. It will indeed show the GOP the power of conservatives, and the party will come to heel.

2. It will persuade the GOP that conservatives are an unreliable base, and further weaken the conservative's strength within the party.

Just a thought, though, because the "nowhere else to go" argument is accurate -- the only real option is to stay home. What would change that? Instant runoff voting. You wouldn't have to pick the lesser of two evils or simply stay home and let the greater evil win. You could vote for whom you wanted, and the GOP could no longer take you for granted.

Conservatives are just another group held hostage by the two-party system.

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Man up.

And then the republican party will become what - a liberal party? Ooo wait - we already have a liberal party. Why would people vote for a fake liberal party, when they can have a REAL one?

The republican party has recently won by very slim majorities - they will LOSE without conservatives. Republicans better worry about THEIR strength with conservatives, not vice versa.

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How about a centrist party? You seem to think Dems are liberal yahoos. That leaves room for a centrist approach.

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Man up.

We've got some really really old Supreme Court justices that are hanging on hoping for a leftist president that will replace them with another activist judge. With McCain we at least have a hope he'll appoint justices that uphold the Constitution. It is not worth it.

What would it stand for? Just nothing and evrything? What an idea - a party based on the feebs of the american political system - "moderates".

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Moderate simply means you don't drink any Kool Aid.

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I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.

Yeah, as if the extremes of the spectrum represent the only places of principle.

(Heck, *real* extremists -- anarchists, communists, totalitarians -- probably feel that *you* stand for nothing at all. Everything's relative.)

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Man up.

Here's what I think will happen.

McCain will take on Mike Huckabee as his running mate. Ultra conservatives will stay home and not vote for them on principle. (Just like the last election, I might add. Moderates always cause ultra conservatives to stay home.)

Then what you have is the ruling independents, who aren't party affiliated. They will vote for Barack or McCain based on who they believe will be best for this country. Since Barack is more polarizing on some issues than McCain, a small group of swing independents will vote for McCain over Barak and it will be a close win for McCain.

On the other hand, if Hillary runs, then she causes the Ultra right wing to get in their wheel chairs and fly to the polls, because they are not going to sell their souls to prove a point. If Hillary runs, then the whole party, and the independents who shutter at the idea of 8 more years of Hillbilly, will come out in droves.

[Note: If McCain is foolish enough not to pick Mike Huckabee as his running mate, then he will loose the National Election by a wide margin. Unless, his running mate is someone very sellable as the president. Because most people see McCain as a one term President, setting up the next younger Republican front runner. Lots of people think McCain's health will give out long before he is able to look presidential for a second term.]

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Thanks for your insight - now how's about you go out and play?

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