Be careful. That definition of fascism is Blade's exaggerated definition of liberalism.

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exactly my point. i see this often on forums such as this one. i forgot the other day, and fell into a trap

Fascism and communism are almost identical and are both the territory of the extreme leftists. You can call them 'liberals' or 'socialists' or 'progressives' or 'enlightened' or whatever new name they come up with in the hopes of disguising themselves but it's all the same.

Hillary is a perfect example of liberal fascism, she [as the 'Fuhrer' of the US] promised to confiscate the profits of private American companies and redistribute those profits however she sees fit. That is absolute fascism and the sort of thing commies would do.

That is just one of many examples.

What I find funny is that liberals pretend that fascism is rooted in Conservatism and hold fascism in the highest disdain while being fascists themselves.

Hilarious.

"Accepted" my ass. That's so far away from reality, you've given me a giggling jag!

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Blade: "more educated and literate people than Justabubba"

Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

I find it funnier when people attempt to lump all liberals into the same group as authoritarian communists or even hardcore populists.
And fascism, while it does draw its strength from a type of populist movement, is conservative in nature.
It's not the same kind of conservative as the typical American one but it is a form of conservative.

Clue one: Conservatism is not synonomous with hardcore capitalism. The fact that Hitler used a strange form of Keynsian economics does not make him liberal.

Basically if you are:
a. attempting to bring back the glory of a past day (ie Third Reich, Mussolini's desire for a return to the glory of the Roman Empire, etc.)
b. Seeking to destroy, through incarceration or killing, political opponents because you fear their ideologies to be a threat to the social order (ie going after communists, socialists, Jews, etc.)
c. Taking up a worldview that is extremely pessimistic about human nature and shows contempt toward the poor or weak
d. Believing in an inherent superiority to the people of your race, religion, or ethnicity... seeing all others as subhuman, and advocating extreme nationalism
e. Using war as a means of keeping the nation growing and keeping the people nationalistic
... Then you are not engaging in liberal ideology.

The sad truth that you don't want to admit is that American conservatives are far to the left of fascists.

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-opening from Tales From the Darkside

Conservatives in the US do not support a large, authoritarian government.
Liberals [leftists] commies and fascists do.

Conservatives in the US do not want to remove the rights of citizens to own guns.
Liberals [leftists] commies and fascists do.

Conservatives in the US do not want to have nationalized education.
Liberals [leftists] commies and fascists do.

Conservatives in the US do not want to eliminate Christianity.
Liberals [leftists] commies and fascists do.

Conservatives in the US do not want to steal money from productive citizens and disperse it as they see fit.
Liberals [leftists] commies and fascists do.



The list that makes comparisons between libs and fascists [and commies] is nearly endless.

For one thing, liberals don't support an authoritarian government. They aren't against large government, but differ on ideals for the size of government. To a liberal, the ability of people to define their own government overrides the ideal of small government.
Want small government? Convince people it's a good idea.
Fascists and commies do not offer such a choice.
And in the meantime... who are these people running up huge deficits to fuel wars? Are they not conservatives? They certainly aren't liberals!

Not all liberals want to remove guns. Very few actually want to outlaw citizens having guns. Many want to regulate the ownership of guns with things like registers and rules about the type of gun you can own. That does not actually take away your right to bear arms.
Personally I don't believe in gun control, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape over reasonable regulation. The primary supporters seem to be police officers... who I don't normally think of as liberal.


As do moderates. As do most people with a desire to see everyone educated.
The primary difference is that liberals, unlike commies and fascists, want universal education to level the playing field... not to indoctrinate.
Of course in the hyperconservative imagination, all teaching is indoctrination.

Hilarious!
Most liberals are Christian. There is no desire amongst liberals to destroy any religion. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if it went away, but I'm certainly not going to advocate removing people's rights to it.
Just remember, you're rights to religion do not entail you have the right to dominate the country with it and use public money to push it on people.

Also, fascists did not seek to destroy Christianity. While the top dog nazis were not Christian, they loved cynically using religion to fuel ethnic tensions, group solidarity, and cynical manipulation.

What exactly is stolen? Taxes are collected with representation. If the people are heavily against it, the taxes have to change.
And show me a conservative movement that would actually end all taxation... and survive.
All governments collect taxes. All spend it on public goods.
Liberals believe public goods are defined by the people.
Conservatives have some absolute definition.
Authoritarians, like conservatives have absolute definitions, just different and more expansive ones.



They're both political ideologies! (I've heard some conservative clown once say conservatism is the "lack of ideology... What a joke)
They both call for the existence of a government!
They both have politicians!

By George! You're right! Identical!

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-opening from Tales From the Darkside

I read excerpts of Goldberg's book. There are socialist connections of fascism that even I didn't know about. Liberalism (colloquial american definition) clearly has its roots in fascism.

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Blade: "more educated and literate people than Justabubba"

Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

Both fascism and modern moderate, watered-down, DLC, "we're too scared to say the word liberal" liberalism have roots in populism.
Their directions are far from similar however.
There is more to ideology than the size of government.
The intentions and underlying ethical philosophies of fascism and even weak-liberalism are opposite.

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-opening from Tales From the Darkside

Communism is where government (run by an elite and generally corrupt few) owns and controls business and personal liberties and social freedoms are suppressed.

Fascism is where business (run by an elite and generally corrupt few) owns and controls government and personal liberties and social freedoms are suppressed. Fascism is also characterized by a tendency towards wars as a profit making enterprise.

Representative Democracy is where representatives acting as fair arbiters of the collective will of the people act as stewards to control both government and business and personal liberties and freedoms are vast and expansive.

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