Liberal fascism - Page 3

BillyBob · #21 (**permalink**) 02-14-2008, 04:36 AM

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Not all liberals want to remove guns.

Oh. it must have been Conservatives in San Francisco that banned all handguns.

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Very few actually want to outlaw citizens having guns.

More or less than 50 million?

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Many want to regulate the ownership of guns with things like registers and rules about the type of gun you can own. That does not actually take away your right to bear arms.

That's how rights are taken away from the citizenry, one small step at a time.

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Personally I don't believe in gun control, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape over reasonable regulation. The primary supporters seem to be police officers... who I don't normally think of as liberal.

I have never met a cop who supports the elimination of handguns from the citizenry.

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Also, fascists did not seek to destroy Christianity. While the top dog nazis were not Christian, they loved cynically using religion to fuel ethnic tensions, group solidarity, and cynical manipulation.

The Nazi's understood that Christianity stood in their way and were making plans to eliminate it.

The fragile, typewritten documents from the 1940s lay out the Nazi plan in grim detail:

Take over the churches from within, using party sympathizers. Discredit, jail or kill Christian leaders. And re-indoctrinate the congregants. Give them a new faith - in Germany's Third Reich.

JavaBlack · #22 (**permalink**) 02-14-2008, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

Oh. it must have been Conservatives in San Francisco that banned all handguns.

Regardless of whether it was liberals or not, not ALL liberals want to take away handguns.
The gun control bloc is part of the Democratic Party's constituency.
I'd venture to say most liberals do not consider gun control a high-priority issue and thus do not back nor fight gun control advocates.

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

More or less than 50 million?

Is this number something other than arbitrary?

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

That's how rights are taken away from the citizenry, one small step at a time.

Never mind that if there is popular enough outcry, those rights can be brought back.
Not to mention that "slippery slope" arguments are fallacies. You can regulate something without completely removing it.

I'm now thinking more liberals should actively lobby for looser gun control... Because as it is now, the strongest advocates of gun rights are also the most paranoid... scary combination. We need more balance.

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

I have never met a cop who supports the elimination of handguns from the citizenry..

And your personal acquaintences mean what?
Take a look at some of the organizations that lobby for gun control sometime. You'll notice a lot of times police are involved. Probably depends a lot on your locality.

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

The Nazi's understood that Christianity stood in their way and were making plans to eliminate it...

In the meantime they had no problem exploiting it.
Christianity is not in the way of liberal ideology. Intolerance, theocracy, and ethnic conflict are... none of which is inherently linked to Christianity.
A large portion of liberals are Christians. And some of the big government, help the poor stuff you cons hate so much is advocated by socially conservative Christians.

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

The fragile, typewritten documents from the 1940s lay out the Nazi plan in grim detail:

Take over the churches from within, using party sympathizers. Discredit, jail or kill Christian leaders. And re-indoctrinate the congregants. Give them a new faith - in Germany's Third Reich.

Precisely. They had no desire to destroy Christianity. They merely wanted to usurp it for their own.
Trust me. Us seculars... have no desire to take your religion over. You can keep it.

Ixtellor · #23 (**permalink**) 02-14-2008, 08:38 AM

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Oh. it must have been Conservatives in San Francisco that banned all handguns.

1) Hand guns are NOT banned in SF.
2) Its called Federalism and democracy. I suppose you hate States rights now?

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Many want to regulate the ownership of guns with things like registers and rules about the type of gun you can own. That does not actually take away your right to bear arms.

That's how rights are taken away from the citizenry, one small step at a time.

98% of all Americans are in favor of gun control. What are you a militia wacko?
My request for a silenced full automatic M-16 is still on hold. It seems Republicans voted to make sure I couldnt get one.

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I have never met a cop who supports the elimination of handguns from the citizenry.

1) You don't live in NY.
2) 100% of police unions are in favor in hand gun laws.
3) Handguns are legal in all 50 States.

Ixtellor

calmObserver · #24 (**permalink**) 02-14-2008, 11:24 AM

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Fascism and communism are almost identical...

come on billybob. fascism is political philosophy ~ communism economic philosophy.

you can have a representative democracy and communist economic system. at the time of russian revolution there were political groups that had such a platform. what won out was bolshevism ~ totalitarianism + communism

BillyBob · #25 (**permalink**) 02-14-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ixtellor

1) Hand guns are NOT banned in SF.

San Fran tried to ban handguns but a judge overturned the proposed legislation that was voted for by the liberal citizens of that (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) city.

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2) Its called Federalism and democracy. I suppose you hate States rights now?

Oh, is San Francisco now a State?

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98% of all Americans are in favor of gun control.

Got a link?

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What are you a militia wacko?

What are you, EDIT.

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My request for a silenced full automatic M-16 is still on hold. It seems Republicans voted to make sure I couldnt get one.

Those pesky republicans hate guns.

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1) You don't live in NY.

How do you know where I live?

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2) 100% of police unions are in favor in hand gun laws.

A lot of good gun laws do, the only people who obeying them are law abiding citizens. EDIT.

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3) Handguns are legal in all 50 States.

For now. Too bad Washington DC isn't a State, those poor bastards aren't allowed to own handguns.

Like I have stated previously, rights are taken away incrementally.

Blade · #26 (**permalink**) 02-14-2008, 02:54 PM

The roots and connection of the liberal/left to fascism are beyond question. Various quotes from Jonah Goldberg, who has studied the relevent history:

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The Nazis were socialists. The Nazi ideologist Gregor Strasser put it succinctly: “We are enemies, deadly enemies, of today’s capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, its unfair wage system, its immoral way of judging the worth of human beings in terms of their wealth and their money.” The speech that first attracted a young Adolf Hitler to fascism was titled “How and by What Means Is Capitalism to Be Eliminated?” The Nazi-party platform demanded guaranteed jobs, the “abolition of incomes unearned by work,” the nationalization of all large corporations and trusts, profit-sharing in all major industries, expanded old-age insurance, a government takeover of big department stores (think Wal-Mart), the prohibition of child labor, and countless other “progressive” reforms.

Nazis — all in the name of “progress” — sought to purge the authority of Church and tradition from society, and to replace them with the supremacy of the state and the dictates of political correctness. The Nazis partly grew out of and co-opted the first “green,” youth, and health movements in the West. The proto-Nazi philosopher (and rabid anti-Semite) Ludwig Klages wrote one of the founding texts of modern environmentalism, Man and Earth, which presages most of the contemporary complaints from Al Gore and others on the environmental left. In 1980, the German Greens reissued his manifesto to celebrate the founding of their party.

The Nazi war on smoking would make Michael Bloomberg’s heart leap. Nazis led the world in researching organic foods and alternative medicines (the concentration camp Dachau boasted the largest alternative- and organic-medicine research lab in the world). According to the medical historian Robert Proctor, the National Socialist “campaign against tobacco and the ‘whole-grain bread operation’ are, in some sense, as fascist as the yellow stars and the death camps.”

Nazism rejected open scientific inquiry in favor of research dictated by “holistic” imperatives, and was tainted with a mysticism that exalted the “natural order” above reason (such postmodern buzzwords as “logocentrism” and “deconstructionism” originate in the Nazi canon). Heinrich Himmler was an animal-rights activist and proponent of “natural healing.” Hitler and his advisers endlessly discussed the need to move the entire nation to vegetarianism as a response to the unhealthiness promoted by capitalism.

Benito Mussolini was raised on the mother’s milk of revolutionary socialism. His father, an ardent socialist who was a member of the First International along with Marx and Engels, read Das Kapital to young Benito as a bedtime story. He first earned the title “Il Duce” as leader of Italy’s Socialist party.
Mussolini’s Fascism was dubbed “right-wing” by orthodox Communists as a way to discredit dissent from the Bolshevik party line. But Mussolini and the Italian Fascists remained committed to socialism. When he was kicked out of the Socialist party solely for supporting World War I — to “save socialism,” in his words — he responded, “Whatever happens, you won’t lose me. Twelve years of my life in the party ought to be sufficient guarantee of my socialist faith. Socialism is in my blood.”

Woodrow Wilson established the American Protective League, a group of domestic fascisti charged with crushing dissent, beating “slackers,” and intimidating average Americans. Wilson’s Committee for Public Information was the first modern propaganda ministry. Indeed, according to the late sociologist and intellectual historian Robert Nisbet, the “West’s first real experience with totalitarianism — political absolutism extended into every possible area of culture and society, education, religion, industry, the arts, local community and family included, with a kind of terror always waiting in the wings — came with the American war state under Wilson.”
Exhilarated by their power during the war, progressives were crestfallen when America abandoned its war socialism after the armistice. “We planned in war!” they cried, imploring that they be allowed to plan in peace as well.

Two great “experiments” ignited their imaginations: Soviet Russia and Fascist Italy. The muckraker Lincoln Steffens returned from Russia to declare: “I have been to the future — and it works!” Just a year earlier, Steffens had proclaimed that God “formed Mussolini out of the rib of Italy.” Ida Tarbell, the muckraker who “exposed” Standard Oil, took a similar view. She and other progressives referred to the “Russian-Italian” method, recognizing the kindred spirit that animated both Fascism and Bolshevism. Charles Beard, the left-wing economic historian, wrote in The New Republic that Mussolini’s Italy was, “beyond question, an amazing experiment.” Herbert Croly, The New Republic’s first editor, often defended Mussolini’s crackdowns as necessary. Italian Fascism, he wrote, had “substituted movement for stagnation, purposive behavior for drifting, and visions of great future for collective pettiness and discouragement.”

BillyBob · #27 (**permalink**) 02-14-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade

The roots and connection of the liberal/left to fascism are beyond question.

Absolutely.

But that isn't going to stop the commu-fascist democrats from declaring otherwise.

Ixtellor · #28 (**permalink**) 02-15-2008, 04:58 AM

Ahh I love it when a poster reveals there true feelings...

Take note Blade.
Here are quotes from BillyBob so we are all totally clear who he is and what he stands for.

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San Fran tried to ban handguns but a judge overturned the proposed legislation that was voted for by the liberal citizens of that (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) city.

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A lot of good gun laws do, the only people who obeying them are law abiding citizens. Criminals, EDIT

So a homophobic, racist, xenophobe who hates Liberals.
Place your bets.
1) Does he vote Republican? No pays 23/1
2) Does he have a college degree? Yes pays 348/1

Ixtellor

Ixtellor · #29 (**permalink**) 02-15-2008, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

Absolutely.

But that isn't going to stop the commu-fascist democrats from declaring otherwise.

Whats a commu-fascist democrat?

Ixtellor

P.S. The odds on him having a college degree just jumped up to 19,458/1

BillyBob · #30 (**permalink**) 02-15-2008, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ixtellor

Whats a commu-fascist democrat?

A democrat.

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P.S. The odds on him having a college degree just jumped up to 19,458/1

A college degree or lack of one doesn't change the fact that libs are fascists.

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