I'm not afraid of homos.

Just because I recognize the damage EDIT have done [and are doing] to our country doesn't make me a racist. There are plenty of blacks who agree. Would you call them racist?

Oh, you didn't know that mexicans are illegally entering the US daily in staggeringly high numbers and commit a disproportionate amount of crimes?

Hey, you finally got one right!!!!!!

I guess all those years you spent in college has finally paid off.

Correct. Anyone with an education of any sort, regardless of how lame, should be able to see the difference between a liberal and a fascist.

Clue 1: Liberalism is not defined by large government alone. In fact certain add-ons to government are very illiberal, for example corporate welfare- which fascists were very big on.
Clue 2: Social programs in liberalism are intended for expanding opportunity. Social programs in fascism are cynical attempts to get the working class to support an upper class party. BTW social programs for fascists tend to be only for workers. They consider the disabled, weak, and chronically unemployed to be useless... much like conservatives do!
Clue 3: It doesn't take a political scientist to figure out that whatever fascism's bits of "fiscal liberalism," it is most strongly defined by extreme social conservatism and nationalism.

And the funny part is that most of the things that give us gut hatred of fascism are the social conservative/nationalist elements... not the fiscal elements.
Attempting to blanket liberalism with these elements is the very definition of intellectual dishonesty.

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Is George W. Bush a conservative?

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If you're concerned with intellectual dishonesty, don't attempt this scoping down of what Goldberg listed.

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Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

You're kidding me?
The excerpt you gave of that was laughable at best...
Accusing Nazis of "political correctness" in order to draw a connection? Gimme a break. The guy was trying to make any connection he could, no matter how small, and exaggerating it.
At best, some of his critiques were merely spurious correlations (liberals and fascists having some similar items on the agenda, brought on by a common catalyst... but not one copying the other- and many of which are also shared by many conservatives).
At worst, they were complete intellectual dishonesty, the kind of stuff that would be mere comedy if it were Ann Coulter... but as this guy pretends to be some kind of expert, the humor is lost in the disgust.

The Nazi aversion to "today's capitalist economic system" is not dissimliar from the aversion paleo-cons have to the unfettered free market and free trade. Keep in mind paleo-cons have priorities over economics.

The Nazis were a bizarre fusion of old-fashioned conservative nationalism and glory-seeking with technocracy. They were basically "the future of conservatism". They opposed the way the world was going, economically and socially.
And it's important to take what Nazis say with a grain of salt. They were propagandists above all. The cookies they threw to the workers were like the cookies they through religionists. They were meanwhile working on subjegating both. They killed communists and socialists first, for crying out loud! From the technocratic fascist point of view, the workers were useful idiots as were the Christians.

Want to know what inspired the fascist movement? The Roman Empire. That was Mussolini's inspiration. Of course the Greeks and Romans also inspired both modern liberalism and modern conservatism, but we emphasize different things about them than the fascists did... and we sure as hell don't consider ancient Rome liberal relative to modern society.

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Good - let's hear a point by point rebuttal.

Uh - let's hear a point by point rebuttal.

Like what? What are you talking about? Get down to cases.

Uh, let's hear the rebuttal.

There are FEW conservatives who oppose free trade - Pat Buchanan is the only one I can think of.

You are big on assertion and short on argument. The nazis were squarely in sync with their times, the era of massive government, whether in the US, the soviet union, germany, italy ..........
Completely false - the third reich economics was a social welfare state.
Nonsense - it was his marxist father. Mussolini just used the roman empire references for propaganda.

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Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

OK... Look at this crap:
That is populist. As I said earlier, both fascism and the left-wing blocs of today have some populist roots. But being that the fascists actually supported a corporatist rather than socialist economic system, it is hard to take their pokes toward populism seriously. In the fascist government, a company like Wal-Mart would be subsidized and its competition destroyed.
And, as also said earlier, the sentiment expressed here is very much like that of many social conservatives and paleo-cons like Pat Buchanon. They may not have a lot of representation in the mass media but they are common and they actually have a stronger claim on being the "real conservatives" than Reaganites... if that kind of "real" talk actually meant anything.

And you'll notice that there is no causal relationship linking fascism and liberalism here. It's just coincidence and spurious correlation. Populism arises from the flaws in the status quo. Fascists and liberals obviously noticed the same flaws, but dealt with them differently.

So what? Nazis noticed that the environment was important to their technocratic process of maximizing societal efficiency. And?
So Nazis noticed a problem? Notice the pattern.
He's drawing connections on the basis of similar perceptions of problems, not on actual governance.
Basically what he seems to be pointing out is that the virtue of conservatives is their lack of ability to see actual macro problems... and justifies it because... Nazis did see them?
Surely you can see how retarded that is?

As for "purging the authority of the Church and tradition", sure liberals like to loosen their grasp. But liberals do it in the name of personal choice and individual freedom of mind. Nazis did it to replace them with nationalist fervor.
Nationalist fervor is in practical terms the domain of any politician wishing to get elected, but its ardent supporters are most certainly not liberals.
The main difference with conservatives now is that they seem to think tradition and nationalism are equivalent. Liberals range from ambivalent to utterly hateful toward nationalism.
And not e the cute use of the phrase "political correctness". The people who killed Jews and commies and gypsies and anyone that didn't match the proper profile... politically correct? He's basically using the conservative exaggerated idea of "political correctness", placing it in another context, and making a false connection.


They noticed the public health problem of smoking? Gasp.
One major diff... Liberals who oppose PUBLIC smoking do so because they do not feel a smoker has the right to interfere with the breathing space of others. The most adamant see smoking advertising as purposely aiming at addicting young people. No rightly-called liberal opposes smoking in privacy of home. Remember, we want weed legalized for private use.
The fascist thing was to force good health and compliance. They needed healthy people to work and get shot at. And they needed everyone in lock-step.
And then there's the ridiculous attempt to equate anyone who advocates organic or healthy food with fascism. I certainly hope you are smart enough to see that as the BS it is.

Once again... equating ideas with fascist techniques. Any vegetarian who dares to advocate his stance must be a Nazi!
Please tell me you can see the irony in that!

This is based totally on a couple lines which are easily taken out of context, and I will expect that as a possibility since this dope has equated vegans with nazis. But for the sake of argument...
OK, so Benito thought he was a socialist at some point. Even if he was one, he was not a liberal socialist. Socialism and liberalism are not the same philosophy. As stated before, he was certainly populist... but an authoritarian populist.

Oh please. Lincoln and FDR were as totalitarian as Wilson at times. Wilsonian foreign policy has since been rejected by liberals in favor of a less violent foreign policy (which you guys berate us about- we're pansies, Wilson was a fascist... just can't win). The only Wilsonians around today all identify as conservatives. You guys call the neo-cons liberal. We call them conservative. Nobody wants them.

[quote]Two great “experiments” ignited their imaginations: Soviet Russia and Fascist Italy. The muckraker Lincoln Steffens returned from Russia to declare: “I have been to the future — and it works!” Just a year earlier, Steffens had proclaimed that God “formed Mussolini out of the rib of Italy.” Ida Tarbell, the muckraker who “exposed” Standard Oil, took a similar view. She and other progressives referred to the “Russian-Italian” method, recognizing the kindred spirit that animated both Fascism and Bolshevism. Charles Beard, the left-wing economic historian, wrote in The New Republic that Mussolini’s Italy was, “beyond question, an amazing experiment.” Herbert Croly, The New Republic’s first editor, often defended Mussolini’s crackdowns as necessary. Italian Fascism, he wrote, had “substituted movement for stagnation, purposive behavior for drifting, and visions of great future for collective pettiness and discouragement.”
What a shock. During the times that these philosophies were being tried out but were not yet tested, back when the promises weren't broken, back when they seemed feasible and the atrocities were not reported... people liked them! Imagine that!
What does that have to do with modern liberalism. Modern liberalism rejects authoritarian regimes, even when they have similar goals.

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Here is an example of liberal fascism:

So Billybob...

Is George W. Bush a conservative?

Or do you not do "answers"?

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Depends on the issue.

He's not Conservative enough for my liking......