ROFL... Ray, I think it's wrong for you to concede for JB. I understand that you're frustrated; shoot... if I were unable to support a single one of my most closely held beliefs, as you and the comrades are, I'd be frustrated too; but you've no right to concede for JB; despite your point that he can't possibly win being stunningly correct. (Congrats by the way, what a wonderful change of pace for you... did you buy yourself a lotto ticket?)

Hey no offense taken Ray, I've seen worse rationalizations from the left...

Look this isn't long division here; the ideological left is the ideology for the weaker mind. You people simply lack the intellectual means to reason... You've latched onto a patch work of invalid notions, each one based upon one baseless emotional appeal or another that, despite your desperate need for it to be otherwise, is logically invalid and rests upon the shifting sands any number of the seven human weaknesses: Lust, greed, envy, laziness, deceit, pride and jealousy. << It’s a seven word encapsulation of the ideological left.

For instance Ray, you personally claim as the purest essence of reason that a person cannot be a reasonable open minded proponent of individual liberty if they deny a homosexual the legal benefits set aside for hetero-sexual marriage. There is no sound reasoning to be found within that position Ray. It's a classic logical fallacy; expressed by you, yourself, in both the appeal to pity AND the appeal to popularity. Homosexuality is a sad character defect, which may or may not be brought on by some hormonal reaction, resulting from early childhood imprinting which while regrettable, is no more or less relevant to social status than any other malady and it is simply a function of common sense to not establish policy which elicits the traits common to it as being preferred by the culture; we don't reward behavior that is being discouraged Ray.

Your demand that homosexuals be given special rights to marry within their own gender is as reasonable as your asking that homosexuals be given special rights to build housing on the medians within the US Interstate system. We don't allow anyone to build housing within the US interstate system, but YOU Ray, you demand that we should, because...

Ray: 'EVERYONE ELSE gets to build a house, why can't homosexuals builds houses on the "Innerstate?'

PI: No Ray, first, there is no such thing as an
Innerstate; secondly, no one gets to build housing on the Interstate system, its a safety issue...

Ray:So its a safety issue to build houses near the Innerstate? There's a study written by British sociologist Dr. Dandy Pansypants proving, using a coffee-table book of photo's that shows 5,000 miles of US interstates with businesses and housing within 50' of US interstates, PROVING that the US laws forbidding homosexuals from building houses in Innerstate medians is DISCRIMINATION!


PI: But Ray, just because there are instances wherein the safety of some people's homes is questionable, with regard to the proximity to an interstate, due to any number of circumstantial realizations, each one substantially south of preferred, this IN NO WAY is a sound basis in reasoning to allow people to build their homes in the median's of the US Interstate System! No one is allowed to build a house on the interstate MEDIAN!

If you want to build a house, fine, who cares? You just can't do it in the median of an interstate. We save that area for a buffer, where possible, to provide a measure of safety; we also use it to provide for future expansion. We would lose these critical necessities, if we allowed homosexuals to build houses in the medians of interstates...

Ray: Safety? There are thousands of miles of interstates which have nothing but a concrete wall between opposing lanes of traffic! So to suggest that the open space between lanes is for safety is FALSE!... It's either a safety issue or it is not, you can't claim the innerstate is safe with a buffer then declare it safe when there is no buffer. It's not really a safety issue, safety is a very subjective issue, if we're prepared to accept responsibility, we should beable to do so JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE IN THE COFFEE TABLE BOOK! It's just a matter of law and the law can be changed!

LOL... it works out the same for marriage, Ray... we don't allow mono-gender Marriage because we do not want to encourage people of the same gender to even have SEX with each other, let alone get married; because marriage is a special union BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN!

Now CAN homosexuals get married? Oh Heck yeah... But as a man, you must first find a woman; second, con her into marrying you; third, do as you're told... Easy peasy...

But to YOU Ray, that incontestable reasoning is just me saying so and your saying otherwise, somehow proves I'm wrong; just as in the above fictitious discussion, wherein you advanced the study based upon a coffee-table book of photos illustrating homes and businesses located directly alongside the interstate... YOU consider that to be FACTUAL PROOF which refutes my position; but it was NOT. It was photos showing a conflict which you felt was relevant, which of course it was not... There is no even potential correlation between houses which exist alongside a roadway for whatever reason and legislation which would provide for a particular group claiming to suffer a given malady the legal right to build housing in the right of way of a federal thoroughfare.

Thus, it is YOU that is wrong BECAUSE YOUR POSITION IS LOGICALLY FLAWED; IT IS SET UPON INVALID REASONING. If you and every other person on this planet felt that your position was right and true Ray, it would not change the fact that it is logically flawed in the slightest. It would simply make it another idiotic law which was passed during an intellectual low tide.

It is the same for this ridiculous notion that National Socialism is right wing, because it rejects a few tenets of the Leftwing International Socialism. Socialism is leftwing in all of its machinations... including fascism.

Your argument falls flat on it's face.

First: public safety. Marriage encourages and promotes monogamy. The number one risk factor in AIDS in all groups is promiscuity.

Second: the idea that marriage encourages sex. That's in direct conflict with the reality of human nature and with the idea that marriage is a "public safety" institution.

Marriage encourages monogomous sex. If marriage is forbidden - that doesn't discourage sex one bit.

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Wonderful Non sequitur JB... There is no means for 'the people' to ever be in control... when 'the people' have embraced leftism. This is a result of leftism rejecting inalieanble natural human rights and rights where they may exist being vague entitlements assigned to the masses, where all responsiblity is assigned to the state. Ya see JB... Rights are purely a function of the responsibility, where there are no responsibilities, there are no rights. Leftist cultures seek to separate the individual from the freedom to be responsible for their lives...

All leftists idealogies are failures JB. The left is synonymous with failure, evil... The left is about deceit and darkness.


So the fascists in believing that an anointed few were best suited to decide what's best for 'the masses,' is different HOW from the socialists anointed few who believed they were best suited to determine whats best for their comrade masses? See... JB, it works out the same.

Now I know you feel that YOU don' believe this, but ya do... Here allow me to illustrate. >>>> There ya see? Healthcare for the poorest people does not exist? Wrong.

There is not a single person in this country that does not have access to healthcare. But you're point is not that they can't find healthcare suitable to their means... because you know that they can. Instead YOU demand that they be given healthcare far in excess of their means. And it's not a function of your compassion, where you're seeing people in need while you possess the means to help them... YOU see what you feel is a need and demand that OTHERS use THEIR MEANS to help, while you feel good about helping them by stealing from others to do it.

You've set aside the responsibility of the individual for their own healthcare... even considering the cultural compassion wherein today, EVERY PERSON in the country can walk into any emergency room and find medical treatment; you demand that those without any means be ENTITLED to healthcare to the edges of medicine, without regard to the volume of labor required by others to make that happen... stripping the poor of their rights...

By requiring others to provide for them, you, by default, strip everyone of their responsibility for themselves and their actions... rendering 'the state' well beyond the control of 'the people...' subjecting yet another culture to the inevitable failure of which every leftist nation is destined.

ROFLMNAO...

Yet another opportunity to advance the vaunted "nuh uh" defense... But what's most important to note here is that not a word of your sad little rebuttal is relevant to the post to which you're responding. But, I just can't resist the high inside stuff, so here's one over the left field fence... just for you.

The number one risk factor regarding AIDs is engaging in sodomy; homosexual sex; Number two is intravenous drug usage.

FACT: If one is NOT engaging in intravenous drug use or sodomitic sex with either homosexuals or those who have engaged in sex with homosexuals and IV drug users or both, one has NO chance of contracting AIDs. PERIOD.

Take abhorant, deviant behavior such as homosexuality and IV drug use out of the equation and the HIV departs the scene with them.

"Will the person standing by the door when the last IV drug user and homosexual walks out, please slam it shut and lock it?"

Well XAN... you've always had a flare for the irrational... it seems to be your thing; but such is the very nature of the independent, moderate progressive, centrists...

Blood transfusions? I did not know you could catch it from a "period".

If you take homosexuality and IV use out of the equation, what would sanctimonious biggots have to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about

Hate to burst your bubble, but AIDS can be spread through standard male/female intercourse. Linky

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LOL... nor most importantly do you know of a single valid example of a 'rightwing trait which the fascist exemplidied.


Based upon the evidence presented on this thread; if you've some doubt of what the evidence shows, review your response wherein you were tasked with posting such evidence, directly above. Note the stark absence of any evidence contradicting my position.


Hmm... isn't it wild how you NEVER seem to be able to actually post a valid example of these 'commonly accepted' rightwing traits... and are always forced to resort to pointing towards the suggestion that they exist.

I suspect the reason these traits are so hard to specify is that they've been indisputably discredited... so what you're left with is leaning hard on their having been "COMMONLY ACCEPTED" hoping that the discussion is limited to that vague reference and doesn't return to the discussions which made it impossible for you to post them. SO towards that end, I think it's worth noting here that every would-be rightwing trait you've tried to pass off was a identifying trait of the most infamous leftwing cultures; which through some twisted rule of reason requires that these traits be considered something closer to leftwing traits.




You're confusing your most profound wishes and dreams with your memory. This is quite common amongst the delusional...

Hate to burst your bubble, but it is not possible to burst his bubble with logic and evidence! These are things which Publius has no interest in.

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"Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead." -Thomas Paine

Here is more evidence for you to ignore Publius!

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
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Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Right-wing

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Either side!

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

The right-wing has plenty Illegal immigrants, Gays, Muslims

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Right-wing

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

right-wing

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Either

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Right-wing

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.


Right-wing

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.


Right-wing

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

Right-wing

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

You have already expressed your hatred for dictionaries and "Liberal Intelligentsia"

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.


Right-wing

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Either

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Either


I know you will say this is liberal propaganda. But more evidence that you are wrong. You said to name one similarity, I just named 10. I await your response.

Let me guess my argument is non sequitur!!

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"Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead." -Thomas Paine