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[quote=Publius Infinitum;449703]ROFLMNAO...

Yet another opportunity to advance the vaunted "nuh uh" defense... But what's most important to note here is that not a word of your sad little rebuttal is relevant to the post to which you're responding. But, I just can't resist the high inside stuff, so here's one over the left field fence... just for you.

The number one risk factor regarding AIDs is engaging in sodomy; homosexual sex; Number two is intravenous drug usage.
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Wrong. Again.

According to the CDC:

* injected drugs or steroids, during which equipment (such as needles, syringes, cotton, water) and blood were shared with others
* had unprotected vaginal, anal, or oral sex (that is, sex without using condoms) with men who have sex with men, multiple partners, or anonymous partners
* exchanged sex for drugs or money
* been given a diagnosis of, or been treated for, hepatitis, tuberculosis (TB), or a sexually transmitted disease (STD) such as syphilis
* received a blood transfusion or clotting factor during 1978–1985
* had unprotected sex with someone who has any of the risk factors listed above

Now I'm sure you will find some way of twisting this to support your contention that it is sodomy alone that is the risk factor rather than unprotected sex and promiscuity - DESPITE the fact (as was noted by another poster...Java or Ray maybe...)that homosexuals who practice safe sex are at no greater risk then similar heterosexuals....(but that would just confuse you...) and since homosexual activity is even less of a risk factor in other countries...you are, once again, flat on your face.

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FACT: If one is NOT engaging in intravenous drug use or sodomitic sex with either homosexuals or those who have engaged in sex with homosexuals and IV drug users or both, one has NO chance of contracting AIDs. PERIOD.
Er, no. You can still contract AIDS through unprotected heterosexual sex with partners who have neither been homosexual or engaged in IV drug use.
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LOL... nor most importantly do you know of a single valid example of a 'rightwing trait which the fascist exemplidied.
Learn to read Grasshopper.

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Based upon the evidence presented on this thread; if you've some doubt of what the evidence shows, review your response wherein you were tasked with posting such evidence, directly above. Note the stark absence of any evidence contradicting my position.
See above response.

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Hmm... isn't it wild how you NEVER seem to be able to actually post a valid example of these 'commonly accepted' rightwing traits... and are always forced to resort to pointing towards the suggestion that they exist.
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You're confusing your most profound wishes and dreams with your memory. This is quite common amongst the delusional...

See above response. I might consider responding in more detail if you can provide an adequate definition (sans verbosity and inflation) of left and right that we can work with.
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Here is more evidence for you to ignore Publius!

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
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Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Right-wing

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Either side!

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

The right-wing has plenty Illegal immigrants, Gays, Muslims

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Right-wing

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

right-wing

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Either

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Right-wing

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.


Right-wing

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.


Right-wing

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

Right-wing

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

You have already expressed your hatred for dictionaries and "Liberal Intelligentsia"

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.


Right-wing

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Either

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Either


I know you will say this is liberal propaganda. But more evidence that you are wrong. You said to name one similarity, I just named 10. I await your response.

Let me guess my argument is non sequitur!!

I just want to say this is my last attempt, to make you see reality!!
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Hate to burst your bubble, but AIDS can be spread through standard male/female intercourse. Linky
Ahh yes, yet another voice from the darkness to inform us that anyone can become infected with the HIV... A point which is being advanced first, without a contest and second, in the absence of a stated basis in reasoning, so we're left to presume that the rationale behind pointing this out, is to advance the conclusion that because hetero's can transmit the HIV, homo's aren't any different; but I wonder if that's true...

From the Link...

"If infected blood or sexual fluid gets into your bloodstream, then you can become infected."

The issue here however is HIV is a virus transmitted through contact with the bloodstream... and that sexual fluids can carry the virus.

So the question becomes, what sexual practice promotes the likelihood of sexual fluids and blood of a HIV infected person coming into contact with the bloodstream of a non-infected person?

Sodomy... Now there's a sure bet.

Hmm... Now between homo and hetero sexualities... which one depends purely upon sodomy?

Yes friends, that brings us once again to: CHECK MATE. In the form of conclusive proof that homosexuals are vastly different from Heterosexuals in terms of the likelihood of transmitting and contracting the HIV.

We don't pretend that a sexuality dependent upon the practice most likely to transmit the HIV is analogous or equitable to that sexuality which in no way depends upon that practice. Because in doing so, we foster a false premise which can only lead to the promotion of that, the only sexuality which depends purely upon that sexual practice certain to transmit the flamer's death.

Now as I stated above... IF you do not have sodomitic sex with a HOMOSEXUAL OR SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD SEX WITH A HOMOSEXUAL, OR if you do not engage in SODOMY with an HIV DRUG USER or someone who has had sex with an IV Drug user... you've NO CHANCE of contracting AIDs.
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Ahh yes, yet another voice from the darkness to inform us that anyone can become infected with the HIV... A point which is being advanced first, without a contest and second, in the absence of a stated basis in reasoning, so we're left to presume that the rationale behind pointing this out, is to advance the conclusion that because hetero's can transmit the HIV, homo's aren't any different; but I wonder if that's true...

From the Link...

"If infected blood or sexual fluid gets into your bloodstream, then you can become infected."

The issue here however is HIV is a virus transmitted through contact with the bloodstream... and that sexual fluids can carry the virus.

So the question becomes, what sexual practice promotes the likelihood of sexual fluids and blood of a HIV infected person coming into contact with the bloodstream of a non-infected person?

Sodomy... Now there's a sure bet.

Hmm... Now between homo and hetero sexualities... which one depends purely upon sodomy?

Yes friends, that brings us once again to: CHECK MATE. In the form of conclusive proof that homosexuals are vastly different from Heterosexuals in terms of the likelihood of transmitting and contracting the HIV.

We don't pretend that a sexuality dependent upon the practice most likely to transmit the HIV is analogous or equitable to that sexuality which in no way depends upon that practice. Because in doing so, we foster a false premise which can only lead to the promotion of that, the only sexuality which depends purely upon that sexual practice certain to transmit the flamer's death.

Now as I stated above... IF you do not have sodomitic sex with a HOMOSEXUAL OR SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD SEX WITH A HOMOSEXUAL, OR if you do not engage in SODOMY with an HIV DRUG USER or someone who has had sex with an IV Drug user... you've NO CHANCE of contracting AIDs.

Of course you failed to respond to my post.
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I just want to say this is my last attempt, to make you see reality!!
Don't hold your breath...Pubis is reality-challenged.

That was a good list you posted.

But I think #12 might be "either" - at least in regards to USSR.


What's interesting that there is nothing in that list that is solely leftwing.
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Ahh yes, yet another voice from the darkness to inform us that anyone can become infected with the HIV... A point which is being advanced first, without a contest and second, in the absence of a stated basis in reasoning, so we're left to presume that the rationale behind pointing this out, is to advance the conclusion that because hetero's can transmit the HIV, homo's aren't any different; but I wonder if that's true...

From the Link...

"If infected blood or sexual fluid gets into your bloodstream, then you can become infected."

The issue here however is HIV is a virus transmitted through contact with the bloodstream... and that sexual fluids can carry the virus.

So the question becomes, what sexual practice promotes the likelihood of sexual fluids and blood of a HIV infected person coming into contact with the bloodstream of a non-infected person?

Sodomy... Now there's a sure bet.

Hmm... Now between homo and hetero sexualities... which one depends purely upon sodomy?
Sodomy alone explains only a portion of the real problem. And since Aids is readily transmitted through heterosexual sex (via miniscule abrasions in the vagina or surrounding tissues) your conclusion is erroneous. As usual.

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Yes friends, that brings us once again to: CHECK MATE.
Again, bluffing works in poker, not chess.


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In the form of conclusive proof that homosexuals are vastly different from Heterosexuals in terms of the likelihood of transmitting and contracting the HIV.
Define "vastly".

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We don't pretend that a sexuality dependent upon the practice most likely to transmit the HIV is analogous or equitable to that sexuality which in no way depends upon that practice. Because in doing so, we foster a false premise which can only lead to the promotion of that, the only sexuality which depends purely upon that sexual practice certain to transmit the flamer's death.
Speaking of false premises, you should read up on AIDS before generating some more or you too may come down with it.

The AIDS epidemic in most African countries is almost entirely heterosexual. Or in former Eastern Block Countries where the primary causes include drug users prostitutes (coming back to promiscuity and no protection).

I am aware you prefer to ignore that fact (ie - this isn't Africa) but you can not afford to IF you REALLY interested in ending AIDS even in just the US (which you are not interested in, only sodomy).
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Wrong. Again.

According to the CDC: (the highest risk factors regarding the transmission of HIV)

* injected drugs or steroids, during which equipment (such as needles, syringes, cotton, water) and blood were shared with others
* had unprotected vaginal, anal, or oral sex (that is, sex without using condoms) with men who have sex with men, multiple partners, or anonymous partners...
Well Lets see... you're coming to report that I was wrong, based upon Info from the Center for Disease Control which confirms my position?

Well Ok, Coy... however you need to concede is fine with me...

Now to repeat my position: IF you do not have sodomitic sex with a HOMOSEXUAL OR SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD SEX WITH A HOMOSEXUAL, OR if you do not engage in SODOMY with an HIV DRUG USER or someone who has had sex with an IV Drug user... you've NO CHANCE of contracting AIDs...

And while the CDC seems to suggest that engaging in sex with homosexuals or IV drug users if fine if you use sexual protection, I'd say that such behavior is analogous to playing Russian Roulette while wearing a helmet.

Homosexuals are inflicted with fatal character flaws, perhaps brought on by hormonal changes induced early in childhood through homo-sexual abuse... who knows...? But they're sexual practices are the surest sexual bet to contracting the HIV and while any form of physical interaction with them is ill-advised; engaging in sex with them or those prone to having sex with them, is tantamount to suicide; providing them the legal status which would raise their behavior to that of 'normal to preferred' is cultural suicide.
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Well Lets see... you're coming to report that I was wrong, based upon Info from the Center for Disease Control which confirms my position?

Well Ok, Coy... however you need to concede is fine with me...

Now to repeat my position: IF you do not have sodomitic sex with a HOMOSEXUAL OR SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD SEX WITH A HOMOSEXUAL, OR if you do not engage in SODOMY with an HIV DRUG USER or someone who has had sex with an IV Drug user... you've NO CHANCE of contracting AIDs...

And while the CDC seems to suggest that engaging in sex with homosexuals or IV drug users if fine if you use sexual protection, I'd say that such behavior is analogous to playing Russian Roulette while wearing a helmet.

Homosexuals are inflicted with fatal character flaws, perhaps brought on by hormonal changes induced early in childhood through homo-sexual abuse... who knows...? But they're sexual practices are the surest sexual bet to contracting the HIV and while any form of physical interaction with them is ill-advised; engaging in sex with them or those prone to having sex with them, is tantamount to suicide; providing them the legal status which would raise their behavior to that of 'normal to preferred' is cultural suicide.

Again you failed to respond to my post!! I am beginning to think you are avoiding me!
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