Kosovo independence IS illigal, because it is opposite to the 1244 Resolution of Security Coucil, which recognizes Kosovo as an integral part of Serbia.

By the way, Kosovo has been Serbian for almost a millenium, it is the cradle of Serbian state, religion, culture, education, everything that defines a nation.

Ask yourself why the Americans did not go to the UN, but instead persuaded the "Kosovo government" to declare independce by themselves? Because they knew they would face Russian and Chinese VETO, and because they knew that it is against the basic principles of the UN.

You cannot grant independence to a minority by allowing secession from a sovereign state! Read some international law, if you are not that stupid.

Independence is illegal everywhere in the eyes of the mother country who disagrees. Independence is made legal by the consent of other nations. Again, the legality of the situation does not matter, at least to American politics. What does matter is the state dept. supports the EU almost without thought and dismisses other nations, without coming to compromise.

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Not true! I am speaking of the LEGALITY of the "independence act", not the morality of it.

The UN do not recognize states which are new founded within the borders of a sovereign country, a member of the UN. It has never happened in a 65 years history of the UN. Never.

That is why this is a precedent, and will create conflicts all around the world. But USA is used to creating conflicts, nothing new.

This is CNN information, they also stated it was a Anti-US rally.....thats how "acurate" they are.....

In the attached file you can find a map of centre Belgrade which I have marked with the:

- Red marking where the speeches took place
- Yellow marking infront of "Hram Svetog Save" where our church spoke out to the people
- Green marking where the demonstrators were.

Attached Images

Belgrade rally.jpg (104.3 KB, 6 views)

Sorry to break the news to you, but the UN does not matter to major powers. It is a way for them to put on a 'happy face' mask for the world.

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Part of Resolution 1244 was to

"Authorize the UN to facilitate a political process to determine Kosovo's future status, its level and forms of autonomy"

Which is what built up to this.

Actually I'm not an expert on the region. Besides not wanting to see thousands of Albanian civilians massacred like last time they tried to go free, what is motivating some of the western powers to back their independence.

And why are Russia and China opposed?

Alright, I mis-stated my opinion. What I really meant to say is "They are their own country now; they make their own laws. I don't care about any of the UN's stupid resolutions because none of them are truly binding, and even if they were binding, I don't support the idea in a global entity higher than the sovereignty of the individual countries. If this leads to war, I am on the side of Kosovo, and I hope that I would actually follow through in acting on that belief should it come to it, but unfortunately I will probably just remain a sideline windbag." I don't really support the notion that the UN has any real sovereignty, or that it even should have sovereignty, and I don't care about what they have to say.

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And yet that is not enough to prevent us from turning on you when you oppress your ethnic minorities. A lesson for the future perhaps?

If you seriously believe that we would throw our morality out the window merely because you helped us in the past, you seriously underestimated us.


Allowing Serbia to continue to oppress one of its minorities is immoral and unjust.


As far as I know, no one in Texas is claiming to be oppressed. And the US government has not engaged in any ethnic clensing of Texans.

Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary if you have it though.



Not outside your imagination. The Confederates thought the "South would rise again" too. How is that working for them?



Or probably ever.


I agree actually. The fact that the US recognizes them as a separate nation already makes it "legal" as far as we are concerned.


Gee, that must mean we don't recognize UN law as superseding our own eh?

This whole independence thing could have unforeseen benefits I hadn't considered. Like further eroding UN authority.



Yeah, Saddam made a similar claim about Kuwait. How did that turn out?


Because we don't care what the UN has to say?

And believe me, I am overjoyed by that fact. I kind of assumed it anyway, but to see it demonstrated unambiguously for all to see is very gratifying.


We just did. So apparently you can.



International law does not supersede US law. And is therefore irrelevant.


It gives me tingles when you say that.


We do not recognize "international law" as being the ultimate authority on this matter. It is as simple as that.



No one is claiming otherwise. The UN can choose to recognize or not recognize whoever it wants.

The US is not the UN. We can recognize Kosovo regardless of what the UN thinks.


Oh stop. You're making us blush.



China is opposed because they are scared crаpless that Taiwan will try to do the same thing.

Russia is opposed because they see it as a major erosion of their sphere of influence.

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Nice pre-WWI quote.

I forget who said it though... Lloyd George?