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you know more about islam than christianity.
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The modern conflict is entirely based around Israel.
The Jews were there first [by about 43000 years], muslims have no legitimate claim to that land.
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The Jews were there first [by about 43000 years], muslims have no legitimate claim to that land.
You don't know, you weren't there. But don't get hasty, there must be a civil way to handle this. I know, let's have war! that'll solve our problem.
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The Jews were there first [by about 43000 years], muslims have no legitimate claim to that land.

According to scripture, the Amorites preceded the Jews in what is now Israel (Amos 2:9-10)

Otherwise, most historians and archeologists believe the Canaanites or the Philistines were the first groups to inhabit what is now Israel.
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Most post had a typo, I meant 3000 years, not 43,000.

Let me say it again:

The Jews preceded the Muslims in Israel by 3000 years. The muslims have no legitimate claim to Israel.
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During the birth of Mohammad's invention of Islam the hate for the Jews was also born. Hate born out of Mohammad's pride. A pride full of arrogance and nonrepentance. Mohammad of Ishmael's lineage.. the son that was born because of the lack of faith in God.. born from sin.

You can understand the "desire" to be accepted and revered with a lineage of shame. The desire to be something special. So much so that even the great wealth and nation given through God's gracefull, fullfilled promises was not enough.. Mohammad wanted to be "something more" He wanted the world to see him as a Prophet.. a messenger of GOD. When the Jews rejected Mohammad, it crushed his ego.. so out came the sword.

All people can be forgiven and saved though.. individually through repenting and accepting Jesus.

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I have always thought that the creation of Israel was the main reason for the turmoil in this region. They both share the most scared places within their respected religions in the same location. It is without saying that this conflict will never have a dual solution period! I find it strange you used the word invention. Christianity is also an invention by your reasoning. Isn’t it wonderful how his invention has turned out Christians versus Muslims; where have we seen this kind of philosophy?
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Old 03-08-2008, 05:18 AM
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Doing a little research you can verify ALL of the following information yourself... undeniable truth.. Muslims also know this as truth, although they do not "teach" this.


Mohammed, the founder of Islam, based many of his beliefs on the practices of local Jewish population in his native Mecca. For example, the Moslem practices of not eating pig, circumcision, daily prayer and fasting during the first month of the year were all culled directly from Judaism (religion of the Jews).

Since Islam was so similar to Judaism, Mohammed assumed the Jews would immediately accept this new religion. When the Jews did not live up to his expectations, he turned violently against them and many Jews died by the sword.

Islam is based on the prophetic claims of a single individual who subsequently convinced others to follow his ways.

Lets look deeper and trace his roots..

"Abu l-Qasim Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh al-Hashimi al-Qurashi" was the founder of the world religion of Islam and is regarded by Muslims as the last messenger and prophet of God

Abd Allah ibn Abd al-Muṭṭalib (Arabic: عبدالله بن عبد المطلب‎)‎ (545-570) was the father of Muhammad, a prophet of Islam.

Abd Allah ibn Abd al-Muṭṭalib was the son of Shaiba ibn Hashim

Shaiba ibn Hashim is the grandfather of Muhammad.

Shaiba ibn Hashim's father was Hashim ibn Abd Manaf.

Hashim ibn Abd al-Manaf was the great-grandfather of Muhammad.

STAY WITH ME... we are almost there!!

On Hashim ibn Abd al-Manaf's fathers side his genealogy traces to Ismail. a.k.a. Ishmael

Ishmael is the son of Abraham... This is how Muhammad traces back to Abraham...

and where the truth can set them free!

Ishmael is Abraham's older son, born by his wife's handmaiden Hagar.

Hagar was an Egyptian servant belonging to Sarah (Abraham's wife), who, being barren, gave Hagar to her husband Abraham as a concubine, so that he might still have children. She gave birth to a son, whom she named Ishmael.

See, God promised Abraham that he would be a father of nations, yet Sarah remained childless. Due to lack of faith in God.. to help her husband fulfill his destiny, Sarah offered her Egyptian handmaid Hagar to Abraham as a concubine. Hagar became pregnant immediately, and began to despise Sarah.

Fourteen years after this, following Sarah's repentance to God for her sins, God allowed Sarah to give birth to Isaac. God commanded Abraham to obey his wife's wishes and expel Hagar and Ishmael into the desert alone. It is believed that Sarah was motivated by Ishmael's sexually frivolous ways ("making merry" Gen. 21:9) at a party, which has been translated as a reference to idolatry, sexual immorality or even murder; some rabbinic sources claim that Sarah worried that Ishmael would negatively influence Isaac, or that he would demand Isaac's inheritance on the grounds of being the firstborn.


Ahh the nature of the beast.

So Muhammad is of this "blood line". He made a new religion (Islam) and thought that the Jews would convert.. but being devoted to their beliefs they would not.. Muhammad was upset because they would not believe in Muhammad as a prophet and except his ways.. so he killed them and exiled them. Even today Muslims hate the Jews.. and anyone that does not follow Mohammad's Islam is considered an infidel.



Don't worry about the Jews.. they are GOD's chosen people, descendents of David.. they will be saved.

Seek Jesus so you and yours can be saved.


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you would die for this kind of bull**** if you were in a muslim country. and also these are "kofr" in the religion of islam, not accepted, even fought with this kind of jewish propaganda. muslims don't hate jews, they hate zionists that are extremist jews killing muslims.
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I have always thought that the creation of Israel was the main reason for the turmoil in this region. They both share the most scared places within their respected religions in the same location. It is without saying that this conflict will never have a dual solution period! I find it strange you used the word invention. Christianity is also an invention by your reasoning. Isn’t it wonderful how his invention has turned out Christians versus Muslims; where have we seen this kind of philosophy?
some one who is against a prophet of God, is against all prophets of God and against God. today he's saying about muslims, tomorrow Christians and who knows, maybe he preaches antichrist's religion when he comes!
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some one who is against a prophet of God, is against all prophets of God and against God. today he's saying about muslims, tomorrow Christians and who knows, maybe he preaches antichrist's religion when he comes!
Here’s some food for thought. My decedents came from Poland to the U.S. during the 2nd world war, but before they could make it through the war fields they were detained in Refugee camps (My Grandmother actually ate and broke bread with Eugene Sitkorski) Some refugee camps were visited by men from the clergy and some camps were visited by man and woman trying to convert people to Islam. So depending on what region they were in would determine if I might have been brought up as a Muslim or a Christian. I am currently Agnostic but who knows what could have been. I hold the belief that Israel is an illegitimate state, not created with the Muslim people in mind, more of a tuff cookie there here to stay. As well as reparations for the atrocities they faced during the 2nd world war! Stop seizing land and things will calm down, but we all know that won’t happen. There will be a unilateral strike coming from Israel to Iran at the request of the United States now that the war mongers here realize they won’t be able to fool us again into a bull (*)(*)(*)(*) war!

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