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Old 03-08-2008, 08:17 AM
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The Jews preceded the Muslims in Israel by 3000 years. The muslims have no legitimate claim to Israel.
Here is the issue, as I see it, with a bit of historical backgroud:

The Jews were expelled from the region by the Romans, and were not present in any significant numbers for for nearly 2000 years, until the end of WWI. The Ottoman Empire had collapsed, and the British Empire had reached its apex. Among the strategic priorities of the British was Palestine. It was situated at the crossroads between three continents, and was perched near the Suez Canal, which offered the shortest sea-route between Europe and the Orient.

The British invaded in 1916, and held a mandate in Palestine until 1948. They understood from the beginning that any strong, stable Arab state in the region would threaten their strategic command. Therefore, they divided the Middle East into a hodge-podge of fractured entities under the Sykes-Picot treaty. Palestine was a special case. The British encouraged Jews to migrate to the region to drive a wedge into the Arab populations. They had little or no concern for religious considerations.

In spite of the perfidy, rational Arabs and the Jews made valiant attempts to live together peacefully. For example, in 1919, Chaim Weizmann, the leader of the Zionist movement, and Emir Faisal, the son of the Sherif of Mecca, signed an agreement "mindful of the racial kinship and ancient bonds existing between the Arabs and the Jewish people, and realising that the surest means of working out the consummation of their national aspirations is through the closest possible collaboration."

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This British responded by appointing fanatics to key positions on the either side. On the Jewish side, Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook was appointed to head the Ashkenazic Rabbinate in Palestine, though he was unpopular even among the Jews. On the Arab side, the British appointed the fanatically anti-Jewish Haj Amin el Husseini--who later became a supporter of Adolph Hitler--as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. The situation predictably exploded into a series of riots, and eventually, full-scale war when the British pulled out in 1948. The pattern has continued ever since.

There are a few exceptions. For example, the first prime-minister of Israel, David Ben Gurion, wished to use Israel as a motor for economic development of Asia and Africa. He actually organized a series of conferences which brought together leadership from all over the world to discuss the economic development of former colonies. Then their was the case of Yitzak Rabin, who was martyred for his attempts to find a just peace, based upon the principles of economic development found in the Oslo Accords. The Oslo Accords were sabotoged by every manner of perfidy imaginable. The pattern still continues.
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Why Muslims hate Jews.
dear Jefell-GS not only muslims hate jews every on in this world hat jews every one every animals every thing hate jews are you understand that? even the god hate jews .
you kill My brothers Gaza Strip every day and kill kids women guys and says :Why Muslims hate Jews.
I want to ask you one question I want to answer frankly -If i kill your son, your father and your mother and demolished a house over your head, you will love me? if you say yes after all this i think we must Marriage...........



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calm down pal! I know almost everybody hates jews in ME, but the jews are not guilty. zionists are. they must be banned. the whole problem is that zionists are mistaken for jews. zionists are extremist jews not ordinary jews.
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calm down pal! I know almost everybody hates jews in ME, but the jews are not guilty. zionists are. they must be banned. the whole problem is that zionists are mistaken for jews. zionists are extremist jews not ordinary jews.
why do you think chrsitians hate muslims? you can deny that they don't, but there are definitely neo nazi groups of people who believe themselves to be christian and still hate everyone that is not their same race and color. go rent the movie American History X
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why do you think chrsitians hate muslims? you can deny that they don't, but there are definitely neo nazi groups of people who believe themselves to be christian and still hate everyone that is not their same race and color. go rent the movie American History X
I know what you're talking about. all I say is we have extremist groups in every religion and every nation. but when these groups form a country, then the world becomes more unstable. like taliban, Zionists, Nazis and so on. why don't we destroy all these groups and live in peace? why should US and Europe support one of these groups?! this is still a question to me.
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However since then Jews and Muslims lived in greater relative peace than Jews and Christians in Europe...
until the creation of the state of Israel.

The modern conflict is entirely based around Israel.
No, the radical Muslims hate the Jews. They always have and most likely always will. Before the creation of Israel they made deals with the Nazis and when Winston Churchill gave them 76% of the land they still weren't happy with it. They wanted no land for the Jews, or for that matter, no Jews at all.

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It shows how Saddam and the Arab world talked and negotiated repeatedly with the Nazi party.
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I know what you're talking about. all I say is we have extremist groups in every religion and every nation. but when these groups form a country, then the world becomes more unstable. like taliban, Zionists, Nazis and so on. why don't we destroy all these groups and live in peace? why should US and Europe support one of these groups?! this is still a question to me.
i believe the only reason that we do is because they have oil. these are not the only religious conflicts, we simply don't want them to blow each other up and waste all the valuable oil.

we're america, we don't care about world peace. we care about america. maybe, someday, we will be able to spread our ideas by widening the consumer base, but until then, we're not going to care - unless they have something we want.
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i believe the only reason that we do is because they have oil. these are not the only religious conflicts, we simply don't want them to blow each other up and waste all the valuable oil.

we're america, we don't care about world peace. we care about america. maybe, someday, we will be able to spread our ideas by widening the consumer base, but until then, we're not going to care - unless they have something we want.
unfortunately, you're right.
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