Roots Islam - Why Muslims hate Jews.

Jefell-GS · #1 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 07:11 AM

Doing a little research you can verify ALL of the following information yourself... undeniable truth.. Muslims also know this as truth, although they do not "teach" this.

Mohammed, the founder of Islam, based many of his beliefs on the practices of local Jewish population in his native Mecca. For example, the Moslem practices of not eating pig, circumcision, daily prayer and fasting during the first month of the year were all culled directly from Judaism (religion of the Jews).

Since Islam was so similar to Judaism, Mohammed assumed the Jews would immediately accept this new religion. When the Jews did not live up to his expectations, he turned violently against them and many Jews died by the sword.

Islam is based on the prophetic claims of a single individual who subsequently convinced others to follow his ways.

Lets look deeper and trace his roots..

"Abu l-Qasim Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh al-Hashimi al-Qurashi" was the founder of the world religion of Islam and is regarded by Muslims as the last messenger and prophet of God

Abd Allah ibn Abd al-Muṭṭalib (Arabic: عبدالله بن عبد المطلب‎)‎ (545-570) was the father of Muhammad, a prophet of Islam.

Abd Allah ibn Abd al-Muṭṭalib was the son of Shaiba ibn Hashim

Shaiba ibn Hashim is the grandfather of Muhammad.

Shaiba ibn Hashim's father was Hashim ibn Abd Manaf.

Hashim ibn Abd al-Manaf was the great-grandfather of Muhammad.

STAY WITH ME... we are almost there!!

On Hashim ibn Abd al-Manaf's fathers side his genealogy traces to Ismail. a.k.a. Ishmael

Ishmael is the son of Abraham... This is how Muhammad traces back to Abraham...

and where the truth can set them free!

Ishmael is Abraham's older son, born by his wife's handmaiden Hagar.

Hagar was an Egyptian servant belonging to Sarah (Abraham's wife), who, being barren, gave Hagar to her husband Abraham as a concubine, so that he might still have children. She gave birth to a son, whom she named Ishmael.

See, God promised Abraham that he would be a father of nations, yet Sarah remained childless. Due to lack of faith in God.. to help her husband fulfill his destiny, Sarah offered her Egyptian handmaid Hagar to Abraham as a concubine. Hagar became pregnant immediately, and began to despise Sarah.

Fourteen years after this, following Sarah's repentance to God for her sins, God allowed Sarah to give birth to Isaac. God commanded Abraham to obey his wife's wishes and expel Hagar and Ishmael into the desert alone. It is believed that Sarah was motivated by Ishmael's sexually frivolous ways ("making merry" Gen. 21:9) at a party, which has been translated as a reference to idolatry, sexual immorality or even murder; some rabbinic sources claim that Sarah worried that Ishmael would negatively influence Isaac, or that he would demand Isaac's inheritance on the grounds of being the firstborn.

Ahh the nature of the beast.

So Muhammad is of this "blood line". He made a new religion (Islam) and thought that the Jews would convert.. but being devoted to their beliefs they would not.. Muhammad was upset because they would not believe in Muhammad as a prophet and except his ways.. so he killed them and exiled them. Even today Muslims hate the Jews.. and anyone that does not follow Mohammad's Islam is considered an infidel.

Don't worry about the Jews.. they are GOD's chosen people, descendents of David.. they will be saved.

Seek Jesus so you and yours can be saved.

with Love,
Jefell

www.GETSHOOK.com

f0ca1 · #2 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 07:23 AM

While it is true that Islam is also an Abrahamaic religion, many muslims hate the jews mostly because they've been told to from childhood.

They've been told to since childhood, mostly because of the creation of isreal.

I'm not defending hate, I'm explaining it.

JavaBlack · #3 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 07:23 AM

However since then Jews and Muslims lived in greater relative peace than Jews and Christians in Europe...
until the creation of the state of Israel.

The modern conflict is entirely based around Israel.

i.beletesri · #4 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 07:36 AM

Actually, Jew hate is in the Koran and Hadithes. Numerous examples available.
It's embedded in Islam.
You will find Jew hate in Muslim countries like Malaysia and Indonesia where many have never even seen a jew- imported with the Muslim Scripture.

Mohammed killed the Jews on the Arabian Peninsula after he gained power.

During, by his hand, and within one generation after, there were no Jews left in what were the near majority Jewish cities of Mecca and Medina - and settlements in Aqaba.

"Two religions may not dwell on the Arabian Peninsula" - Mohammed
(attributed by Hadith)

Jefell-GS · #5 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 07:50 AM

During the birth of Mohammad's invention of Islam the hate for the Jews was also born. Hate born out of Mohammad's pride. A pride full of arrogance and nonrepentance. Mohammad of Ishmael's lineage.. the son that was born because of the lack of faith in God.. born from sin.

You can understand the "desire" to be accepted and revered with a lineage of shame. The desire to be something special. So much so that even the great wealth and nation given through God's gracefull, fullfilled promises was not enough.. Mohammad wanted to be "something more" He wanted the world to see him as a Prophet.. a messenger of GOD. When the Jews rejected Mohammad, it crushed his ego.. so out came the sword.

All people can be forgiven and saved though.. individually through repenting and accepting Jesus.

With Love,
Jefell

www.GETSHOOK.com

JavaBlack · #6 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 07:55 AM

You guys place far more importance in scriptural stuff than is deserved. I suppose it's to be expected as you likely place faith in your own scriptures.
But by large scriptural stuff only becomes important when rationalizing an actual conflict.

The history of Muslim-Christian relations shows turmoil at the founding of Islam, turmoil since the inception of Israel... and relative peace in between.
Figure it out.
Scripture is myth. Conflict is real.

Fear-And-Loathing · #7 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 09:17 AM

Maybe it was the Nazi's there during WW2 that played it up, who knows? Or maybe it was the fact that the scapegoats of the world kicked out this proud race and built Israel. There is no single answer to this question......

oolceeoo · #8 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 12:09 PM

I'm not a Muslim but I've read the Qu'ran, and no where does it advocate "hatred of the Jews". It refers to Jews as people of the Scripture before Muhammad was born. Jews and Muslims live in peace in many parts of the world, and it's really immature when people who never read or try to understand a religion make these assumptions.

Seriously, this is getting old. This isn't about Muslims hating Jews because they are Jews, they are fighting because like others have said, Israel.

i.beletesri · #9 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oolceeoo

I'm not a Muslim but I've read the Qu'ran, and no where does it advocate "hatred of the Jews". It refers to Jews as people of the Scripture before Muhammad was born. Jews and Muslims live in peace in many parts of the world, and it's really immature when people who never read or try to understand a religion make these assumptions.

Seriously, this is getting old. This isn't about Muslims hating Jews because they are Jews, they are fighting because like others have said, Israel.

Which Quran did you read?

Quote:

The word "Jews" appears in 19 verses in Pickthall’s translation of the Koran.

It is very interesting to note that the following words do not appear EVEN ONCE in Pickthall’s translation of the Koran:

"Greek", "Hebrew", "Aramaic", "Salvation", "Savior", "Saviour ". (Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic are the original languages of the Judaeo-Christian scriptures, which the Koran half-heartedly acknowledges as "divinely revealed") These verses from the Koran concerning the Jews speak for themselves.

[al-Baqarah 2:113.3] And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true), and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true); yet both are readers of the Scripture. Even thus speak those who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they differ.

[al-Baqarah 2:120.3] And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah (Himself) is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting guardian nor helper.

[al-Baqarah 2:135.5] And they say: Be Jews or Christians, then ye will be rightly guided. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Nay, but (we follow) the religion of Abraham, the upright, and he was not of the idolaters.

[al-Baqarah 2:140.16] Or say ye that Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes were Jews or Christians ? Say: Do ye know best, or doth Allah ? And who is more unjust than he who hideth a testimony which he hath received from Allah ? Allah is not unaware of what ye do.

[an-Nisa' 4:46.6]
Some of those who are Jews change words from their context and say: "We hear and disobey; hear thou as one who heareth not" and "Listen to us!" distorting with their tongues and Slandering religion.
If they had said: "We hear and we obey: hear thou, and look at us" it had been better for them, and more upright. But Allah hath cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, save a few.

[an-Nisa' 4:160.7] Because of the Wrongdoing of the Jews We forbade them good things which were (before) made lawful unto them, and because of their much hindering from Allah's way,

[al-Ma'idah 5:18.2] The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones. Say: Why then doth He chastise you for your sins ? Nay, ye are but mortals of His creating. He forgiveth whom He will, and chastiseth whom He will. Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and unto Him is the journeying.

[al-Ma'idah 5:41.35] O Messenger! Let not them grieve thee who vie one with another in the race to disbelief, of such as say with their mouths: "We believe," but their hearts believe not, and of the Jews: listeners for the sake of Falsehood, listeners on behalf of other folk who come not unto thee, changing words from their context and saying: If this be given unto you, receive it, but if this be not given unto you, then beware! He whom Allah doometh unto sin, thou (by thine efforts) wilt avail him naught against Allah. Those are they for whom the Will of Allah is that He cleanse not their hearts.
Theirs in the world will be ignominy, and in the Hereafter an awful doom;

[al-Ma'idah 5:44.23] Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light, by which the prophets who surrendered (unto Allah) judged the Jews, and the rabbis and the priests (judged) by such of Allah's Scripture as they were bidden to observe, and thereunto were they witnesses. So fear not mankind, but fear Me. And My revelations for a little gain. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are disbelievers.

[al-Ma'idah 5:51.8] O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

[al-Ma'idah 5:64.2] The Jews say: Allah's hand is fettered. Their hands are fettered and they are accursed for saying so.
Nay, but both His hands are spread out wide in bounty. He bestoweth as He will. That which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and disbelief of many of them, and We have cast among them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for war, Allah extinguisheth it. Their effort is for corruption in the land, and Allah loveth not corrupters.

[al-Ma'idah 5:69.9] Lo! those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Sabaeans, and Christians - Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.

[al-Ma'idah 5:82.18] Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.

[al-An`am 6:91.26] And they measure not the power of Allah its true measure when they say: Allah hath naught revealed unto a human being. Say (unto the Jews who speak thus): Who revealed the Book which Moses brought, a light and guidance for mankind, which ye have put on parchments which ye show, but ye hide much (thereof), and (by which) ye were taught that which ye knew not yourselves nor (did) your fathers (know it) ? Say: Allah. Then leave them to their play of cavilling.

[al-An`am 6:146.5] Unto those who are Jews We forbade every animal with claws. And of the oxen and the sheep forbade We unto them the fat thereof save that upon the backs or the entrails, or that which is mixed with the bone. That we awarded them for their rebellion. And lo! we verily are truthful.

[at-Taubah 9:30.3] And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How Perverse are they!

[an-Nahl 16:118.6] And unto those who are Jews We have forbidden that which We have already related unto thee. And We wronged them not, but they were wont to wrong themselves.

[al-Hajj 22:17.11] Lo! those who believe (this revelation), and those who are Jews, and the Sabaeans and the Christians and the Magians and the idolaters - Lo! Allah will decide between them on the Day of Resurrection. Lo! Allah is Witness over all things.

[al-Jum`ah 62:6.8] Say (O Muhammad): O ye who are Jews! If ye claim that ye are favoured of Allah apart from (all) mankind, then long for death if ye are truthful.

The word "Jewish" appears once in Pickthall’s translation of the Koran.

[at-Taubah 9:34.9] O ye who believe! Lo! many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar (men) from the way of Allah. They who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom

http://members.fortunecity.com/sitaram/page184.htm

Quote:

Hadith:

"The Promise of the Stone and the Tree. "It tells a story about Abu Hurayra, one of the Prophet's companions who quoted the Prophet as saying: "The hour [the Day of Judgment] will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. A Jew will [then] hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will call upon the Muslim: 'O Muslim, O slave of Allah! there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!' - except for the gharqad tree, for it is one of the trees of the Jews."

What's "Getting old" is that BS about "people of the book" who are only slightly better off than others /Pagans/idolaters, the latter including Hindus- who were also slaughtered brutally during the Mughal era conquest.

Nor did you even attempt an answer to my last post on the soon-after-mohammed extinct Arabian Jews.

Raharu Haruha · #10 (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jefell-GS

Doing a little research you can verify ALL of the following information yourself... undeniable truth.. Muslims also know this as truth, although they do not "teach" this.

Mohammed, the founder of Islam, based many of his beliefs on the practices of local Jewish population in his native Mecca. For example, the Moslem practices of not eating pig, circumcision, daily prayer and fasting during the first month of the year were all culled directly from Judaism (religion of the Jews).

Since Islam was so similar to Judaism, Mohammed assumed the Jews would immediately accept this new religion. When the Jews did not live up to his expectations, he turned violently against them and many Jews died by the sword.

Islam is based on the prophetic claims of a single individual who subsequently convinced others to follow his ways.

Lets look deeper and trace his roots..

"Abu l-Qasim Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh al-Hashimi al-Qurashi" was the founder of the world religion of Islam and is regarded by Muslims as the last messenger and prophet of God

Abd Allah ibn Abd al-Muṭṭalib (Arabic: عبدالله بن عبد المطلب‎)‎ (545-570) was the father of Muhammad, a prophet of Islam.

Abd Allah ibn Abd al-Muṭṭalib was the son of Shaiba ibn Hashim

Shaiba ibn Hashim is the grandfather of Muhammad.

Shaiba ibn Hashim's father was Hashim ibn Abd Manaf.

Hashim ibn Abd al-Manaf was the great-grandfather of Muhammad.

STAY WITH ME... we are almost there!!

On Hashim ibn Abd al-Manaf's fathers side his genealogy traces to Ismail. a.k.a. Ishmael

Ishmael is the son of Abraham... This is how Muhammad traces back to Abraham...

and where the truth can set them free!

Ishmael is Abraham's older son, born by his wife's handmaiden Hagar.

Hagar was an Egyptian servant belonging to Sarah (Abraham's wife), who, being barren, gave Hagar to her husband Abraham as a concubine, so that he might still have children. She gave birth to a son, whom she named Ishmael.

See, God promised Abraham that he would be a father of nations, yet Sarah remained childless. Due to lack of faith in God.. to help her husband fulfill his destiny, Sarah offered her Egyptian handmaid Hagar to Abraham as a concubine. Hagar became pregnant immediately, and began to despise Sarah.

Fourteen years after this, following Sarah's repentance to God for her sins, God allowed Sarah to give birth to Isaac. God commanded Abraham to obey his wife's wishes and expel Hagar and Ishmael into the desert alone. It is believed that Sarah was motivated by Ishmael's sexually frivolous ways ("making merry" Gen. 21:9) at a party, which has been translated as a reference to idolatry, sexual immorality or even murder; some rabbinic sources claim that Sarah worried that Ishmael would negatively influence Isaac, or that he would demand Isaac's inheritance on the grounds of being the firstborn.

Ahh the nature of the beast.

So Muhammad is of this "blood line". He made a new religion (Islam) and thought that the Jews would convert.. but being devoted to their beliefs they would not.. Muhammad was upset because they would not believe in Muhammad as a prophet and except his ways.. so he killed them and exiled them. Even today Muslims hate the Jews.. and anyone that does not follow Mohammad's Islam is considered an infidel.

Don't worry about the Jews.. they are GOD's chosen people, descendents of David.. they will be saved.

Seek Jesus so you and yours can be saved.

with Love,
Jefell

www.GETSHOOK.com

you know more about islam than christianity.

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