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Old 03-06-2008, 12:50 PM
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That's pretty funny. I disagree with that usage. There is a distinct, logically evident difference in meaning between thinking abortion should be legal and thinking abortion is a great thing.

One can be against abortion but in support of an individuals right to choose. I don't think those who engage in black and white thinking can understand that simple concept though.
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One can be against abortion but in support of an individuals right to choose. I don't think those who engage in black and white thinking can understand that simple concept though.
Thank you for the definition of "splitting hairs"!
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One can be against abortion but in support of an individuals right to choose. I don't think those who engage in black and white thinking can understand that simple concept though.
That describes my wife. She is 100% pro life and would never even consider an abortion. Yet she supports other women's right to decide for themselves. She does not believe that every one of her personal moral stances should be public policy.
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Thank you for the definition of "splitting hairs"!
And there we have it: in black-and-white world, any nuance is called "splitting hairs."

Agnostics are atheists.

Pro-choice means pro-abortion.

Supporting free speech means "pro-pornography" and "pro flag burning".

Supporting warrant requirements means "pro-terrorist."

It reminds me of the legislature that tried to define pi as "3.14" to make the math easier. All that nuance after the 4 was just too much trouble.

If computers used that logic, nothing designed on them would work.
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That describes my wife. She is 100% pro life and would never even consider an abortion. Yet she supports other women's right to decide for themselves. She does not believe that every one of her personal moral stances should be public policy.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pro-life

I guess that means she's actually pro-choice, doesn't it?
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pro-life

I guess that means she's actually pro-choice, doesn't it?
Yup. In favor of choice; neither pro- nor anti-abortion on the policy level.
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And there we have it: in black-and-white world, any nuance is called "splitting hairs."

Agnostics are atheists.

Pro-choice means pro-abortion.

Supporting free speech means "pro-pornography" and "pro flag burning".

Supporting warrant requirements means "pro-terrorist."

It reminds me of the legislature that tried to define pi as "3.14" to make the math easier. All that nuance after the 4 was just too much trouble.

If computers used that logic, nothing designed on them would work.
Which all goes to show that there is a fine line between a subtle nuance and an extreme dichotomy!
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I guess that means she's actually pro-choice, doesn't it?
Well sure she is. And her choice is not to have one. Hence, she is, by definition, not pro-abortion.
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Why else would they militantly oppose such things as waiting periods and pre-abortion required consultation to explain especially to young pregnant women medically what they are about to do?

These are equivalent to gun control regulations that are short of banning... such as waiting periods and classes.
Are you suggesting that the anti-gun control people who are against these kinds of laws are not out to increase choice of gun ownership... but rather to increase the number of guns out there?!
No, they oppose those measures because they are a straight-forward contradiction of a whole constitutional amendment.
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At least for the feminazi core of the "pro-choice", it definitely means pro-abortion meaning wanting abortions to take place. Why else would they militantly oppose such things as waiting periods and pre-abortion required consultation to explain especially to young pregnant women medically what they are about to do?

Because many of those proposals are thinly disguised pro-life propaganda efforts.
No, they are to keep young women, who are probably there because they've been inundated with pro-abortion propaganda from government schools and lib media from the day they were born, from making a rash decision.

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The former infantalizes women by presuming they don't know what they're doing and need a "cooling off" period to rethink. Opposing that is really quite a conservative position.
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The latter tends to involve lurid descriptions of possible complications and graphic photos of late-term aborted fetuses. That's not "counseling."
Complete fiction. The laws usually have a physician show them photos of the fetus at their stage of development. Why DON'T you want them to see it? Will it weaken your "it's just a blob" propaganda?

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Further, they're not saying women shouldn't be counseled; they're saying the state has no business mandating what a physician should say and how they should say it. That's between the woman and her doctor. It, too, is really quite a conservative position
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Completely false. The feminazis have fought ALL, repeat, ALL such laws. The libs who are behind this don't have some philosophical notion about non-involvement of government in abortion - they support laws FORCING physicians who have conscientous objections to abortion to perform them anyway.

Their objections to every and all of these reasonable laws stems from one central idea: they might stop an abortion, and no abortion should be stopped.

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Feminazis hate fetuses because babies are seen by them as the key thing that has stopped women from having jobs, careers, political power, etc.
Uh-huh. Please point me to any mainstream source that advocates abortion as a way of preventing babies from getting in the way of professional success. If you do manage to find someone (anything is possible, I guess), be sure to highlight where this belief is anything other than their personal opinion. One can say "I would always have an abortion if I got pregnant" and still be pro-choice as long as they're not trying to force other people to have abortions.
Like saying "please point me to a quote where Bush admitted he started the iraq war to help Haliburton" - OF COURSE they're not going to admit it.


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For that feminazi core, which is also the leadersip of the "pro-choice" movement, the only bad abortion truly is the one which doesn't happen.
Uh-huh. All this reveals is your own extreme bias. You honestly believe that there are people who believe abortions are an absolute good, and thus we should have more of them simply because more is better?
You think the horrible things feminazis want can't be true because they're horrible? Uh-huh.
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