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Old 03-07-2008, 05:08 AM
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Similarily I think many feminists would like it more if some seventeen year old had an abortion than if she screwed up her career.
I don't believe so. Their bosses maybe.
But feminists generally would prefer that the woman have the choice between career and family. It would be equally bad for a woman to be pressured to choose the job over the baby.
I think most feminists support more "family friendly" work policies that keep such decisions from ever coming up.

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Back on the language thing the "Fairtax" is for the "real conservatives" and it would be a drastic change. .
I don't see the "FairTax" as conservative or liberal... and it is semi-progressive (a nonprogressive tax would be foolish as it would either make more welfare necessary or, in a nonwelfare state, tax poor people out of their homes). I'm actually more radical than that and believe in georgist taxation mixed with taxation on pollution and depletion of nonrenewable natural resources. That's usually considered liberal (left-libertarian) but the most famous people to advocate it were conservatives (Winston Churchill and William Buckley).
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No - most of the laws are aimed at females under 17.
BS. Back that up with a link. Most "counseling" laws are age-indiscriminate.

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No - eg Governor Spitzer of NY has proposed the "Reproductive Health and Privacy Protection Act", which would define a abortion as a >>right<<. That would criminalize doctors who had them under their care, but refused to perform an abortion.
Wrong. Just because something is legal does not mean every doctor is obligated to perform it. Did I mention you need to wean yourself from the hyperbole?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/26/ny...26spitzer.html

Mr. Spitzer’s proposal would remove abortion from criminal statutes and make it a matter of professional and medical discretion.

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You refuse to debate? OK.
I refuse to debate wild, baseless assertions that you acknowledge you can't back up with even a shred of proof, yes.
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I don't believe so. Their bosses maybe.
But feminists generally would prefer that the woman have the choice between career and family. It would be equally bad for a woman to be pressured to choose the job over the baby.
Some of the more radical feminists actually do look down on housewifery and having children, and would like every woman to be out there in the workforce competing with men, not bothering with marriage and kids and the like.

But they don't represent the mainstream. Every group has its radicals; it doesn't make sense to define the group by the radicals. But everyone loves to do that for groups they dislike.
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It amuses me no end when people claim that anyone `likes' abortion. Of course no one likes it. Supporting the right to choose doesn't mean you like abortion. That's just the most inane extrapolation.
Yaaaaaa so I can commit murder, and tell the judge "you shouldn't prosecute me, I didn't really want to kill him, it was very unpleasant, but it needed to be done."
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Yaaaaaa so I can commit murder, and tell the judge "you shouldn't prosecute me, I didn't really want to kill him, it was very unpleasant, but it needed to be done."
But hang on - unborn foetuses are just blobs, right? So what does it matter if you kill them? I mean, this is according to your own words, not mine.
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But hang on - unborn foetuses are just blobs, right? So what does it matter if you kill them? I mean, this is according to your own words, not mine.
Human Embrio - a human being or person in the early stages of developement.

Human Fetus - a human being or person in the later stages of developement.
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Human Embrio - a human being or person in the early stages of developement.

Human Fetus - a human being or person in the later stages of developement.
Yeah, yeah - I know the difference. I am 21 weeks pregnant. But I knew the difference anyway - most grown-ups do. Especially most grown-ups who continue to claim they have three science degrees including a Masters.

I'm just asking Jake a question he hasn't so far been able to answer. He rants around the board being as anti-abortion as anyone else here, which is fine. However, I started a thread in the Off-Topic section stating that I had found out I was having a girl, and he posted in there no less then five times (some of his posts were deleted) asking me how I could possibly know because it's just a `blob' in there - oh yeah, and asking me three times at least if I was planning to abort it. Or in his words; `off the blob'.

So I'd really like an answer to my question. It's relevant to the discussion in this thread, and many others on this board.

If an 21-week unborn foetus is just a blob, why is he so anti-abortion?
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Oxymoron - a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect such as "gay marriage" or "Liberal ethics" or "progressive taxation."
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I think Blade was assuming Chesby is pro-choice, and thus was trying to make a point about "how could someone who thinks a fetus is just a blob be all excited and anthropomorphic about the life developing inside them?"

It's a fair point, if easily refuted.
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Thank you for the definition of "splitting hairs"!
That's not splitting hairs. I think that actually describes the position of mainstream America: nobody likes abortion, but most people think it needs to be legal.
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