They are both forms of collectivism - as is liberalism.

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Then you agree that homosexuality is not something that is learned, but something you have to be born with. Good. We are in agreement.


Where the liberals act in place of the dictator.


Not really.


Which is the main reason they are bad; it is much easier for evil people to gain control of them. Because the power is more concentrated.



I did.


It says I am libertarian right (more right than libertarian). It is almost exactly the same as Milton Friedman.

That test seems more geared towards economic ideology than political or social ideology.

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Right, so Europe is going to be run by an Islamic Caliphate in two generations? LMAO!

Firstly, comparing native White populations between the US and EU, the US has a 70% European Caucasian population whereas the EU countries, all European Caucasian populations are easily above 90% . So under your hypothesis, the US is likely to become dominated by another ethnic group quicker than the EU...... Please look up facts and don;t just believe what Hannity & Limbaugh is telling you.

With this in mind your argument loses all credibility. Here, look it up on the CIA world factbook...

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...orld-factbook/

And about Europe abandoning Democracy now, well that's also a bit of a joke. I don't even know where to begin.....

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This jibes with the impression of conservatives that I get, also.

I disagree with them on two points: 1) Socialism does not necessarily lead to communism; 2) We could still use more socialism (but only to the degree that we can do so while still maintaining individual liberty -- I think that more socialism now would improve individual liberty in America but that's another conversation).

But as to the question, do all cons equate socialism and communism? I agree with what Sunnyside said.

What you people don't understand is that socialism requires the individual to become subservient to the needs of the larger group. There can be little or no individual liberty in a socialist state and maintain the socialism itself................those are mutually exclusive and incompatible concepts.

Many of you seem to think that the only difference betweeen Communism and Socialism is the dictator factor. Actually, either society must function at the direction of central planners rather than individual whims. Eventually, the central planners will be in disagreement on the nature and extent of the needs of the masses, much like the current Democratic politicians can't agree on the depth the roots of universal healthcare should extend. When agreement can't be reached within the ruling class in a socialist society, a final voice must be selected to which every other planner must yield. This can be referred to as a dictator.

So, the end result is the same regardless of semantics. Liberalism, progressivism, socialism, collectivism, or communism are all the same thing...................government control and provisions for the benefit and greater good of the masses, rather than the selfishness of individual freedoms and property as touted by capitalists and conservatives. In this modern world of growing populations, growing environmental concerns, growing healthcare concerns, and growing educational concerns, the only rational direction to move is the one we've been moving in for the last 50 years..............further to the left with more central planning and enforcement.

Today, we face a choice in Presidential candidates, with ALL falling to the left side of the scale. My suggestions on this board have been to get over distaste for names and tags, and finish the evolution into modern society by casting off old and outdated notions of individual liberty and property. Government provision is the only logical system to consider. Obama, Hillary, and even McCain understand this and have track records we can have confidence in. Really, we finally have the opportunity for completion. Embrace the hope and change.