I agree actually. As oppressive governments go, there have been many that are much worse than Iran.

The main problem I have with Iran is not so much it's level of oppression as the fact that the Iranian government has access to potentially dangerous technology. Unlike a lot of liberals in America, I do not consider the Iranians to be idiots. It's only a matter of time before they get nukes.

But nukes alone isn't what makes them dangerous. It's the fact that they don't have to answer to their own people is what makes them dangerous.

Maybe you will succeed in transforming it into a democracy slowly. I sure hope so.

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iran provides arms to countries we do not want to have those weapons
the USA provides arms to countries iran does not want to have advanced weaponry
if that is apples and oranges then we have just made a fruit salad

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If it was not much of a filtering, it's because many serious candidates wouldn't even try because they know they'd just get filtered.

How many people here realize this guy is just an islamist propaganda shill?

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they should have came and proved that they were getting filtered. even now, they are regretting that movement. (quitting from government movement, during the last days of khatami administration)

people realized their mistake after choosing him. we have lots of problems inside. our economy is almost trashed by UN sanctions. God knows what will happen till the next election.

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if so, then it's ok. It evens out the israeli propaganda shill.

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Now that is good news and I thank you for sharing. Its nice to know that the sanctions are having an impact and that more of them will make things worse for the iranian regime. This can only help reduce their military and terrorist capacity making destroying their regime even easier.

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well, it makes things worse for iranian people. the government will sell oil anyway.

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This is not accurate, as Hizbollah,the Mehdi,etc army are not countries or sovereign nations.They are terrorist factions made up largely (or entirely) of criminals.

Israel BTW does quite a fine job developing advanced weapons on their own.They also possess an arsenal of nukes which have never been deployed or ever threatened to be deployed.This IMO wouldnt hold true if Iran were to get them.As soon as they had them,as perham stated, they would probably brag about them,like they do every time they flaunt another UN/IAEA line in the sand,and have a big parade.At that point it would be too late to act.It is not too late yet.Thats the issue.Once youve got them or really close to having them,its not easy to let them go (see NK).

While its clear they havent got them yet-theyre working on it undoubtedly.

There is really no question about them arming the Mahdi militia,as cache after cache is found with Iranian marking on them.More and more 'special' groups are being rounded up and interrogated. Ties to IRGC are pretty much a given at this point.The fact that AlSadr went to Iranian officials to be advised on the ceasefire is telling,no?

Sure, they will still sell oil. But, a bad economy will have an impact. Hezzbolah certainly IS a terrorist group. Of course, to a muslims there is no such thing as terrorism or even civilians. In islam, all muslims are called to eternal jihad to conquer the world and all non-muslims can be killed like "cattle."

What major attacks is Hezbollah responsible for?

Hezbollah and its affiliates have planned or been linked to a lengthy series of terrorist attacks against the United States, Israel, and other Western targets. These attacks include:

* a series of kidnappings of Westerners in Lebanon, including several Americans, in the 1980s;
* the suicide truck bombings that killed more than 200 U.S. Marines at their barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1983;
* the 1985 hijacking of TWA flight 847, which featured the famous footage of the plane’s pilot leaning out of the cockpit with a gun to his head;
* two major 1990s attacks on Jewish targets in Argentina—the 1992 bombing of the Israeli Embassy (killing twenty-nine) and the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center (killing ninety-five).
* a July 2006 raid on a border post in northern Israel in which two Israeli soldiers were taken captive. The abductions sparked an Israeli military campaign against Lebanon to which Hezbollah responded by firing rockets across the Lebanese border into Israel.

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Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

Perham,
Obama is proposing to initiate discussion with iran in the belief that may advance resolution of the massive iraq problem
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_c..._04082008.html

what suggestions would you have for Obama if he is placed in the position to move forward with those discussions?

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