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Old 04-09-2008, 05:21 AM
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Obama is proposing to initiate discussion with iran in the belief that may advance resolution of the massive iraq problem

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_c..._04082008.html

what suggestions would you have for Obama if he is placed in the position to move forward with those discussions?
that's a hard question. I must think about it. I'll let you know.
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that's a hard question. I must think about it. I'll let you know.

I asked asked an Arab a similar question.. you might be interested in his response --> Westerns! we must talk!

If fact I'd be interested in hearing your answers to those same questions I had for Borkan. Oh and pls send him a private message, see if you can wake him up.. it'd be good to see Borkan here again
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Old 04-09-2008, 08:28 AM
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Should the USA immediately withdraw 100% from Iraq?
any questions about Iran?

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Can the Iraqis take care of themselves?
for now? I don't think so. at least, us should help them as well as iran. our countries should discuss these matters.

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Will the Arabs and Persians help build Iraq into a stable peaceful democratic nation?
sunni arabs hate shiites. that makes it hard. for iran, not until US become friendly with iran. us shouldn't use iraq as a base to threaten iran and iran should be more participating in the iraq issue.

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Can Iran be trusted with nuclear power? Should Iran be allowed to have nuclear weapons?
why not? even israel is trusted with 200 nukes and a radical zionist regime.
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Old 04-09-2008, 08:43 AM
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Obama is proposing to initiate discussion with iran in the belief that may advance resolution of the massive iraq problem

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_c..._04082008.html

what suggestions would you have for Obama if he is placed in the position to move forward with those discussions?
I suggest him to see iran as a important power in region, not a weak country full of terrorists. he should discuss at least these issues:

1- letting Iranian people decide about internal affairs. intervening is the first problem.

2- understanding cultural differences.

3- regional problems should be discussed. also us should not support false claims against iran by all means.

4- inviting iranian elites to us or us elites to iran and having conferences, seminars, exchange ideas and helping each other.

5- sanctions. us has almost destroyed iran by sanctions.

this will end the enmity. iran and us can be good allies. everything started from when us supported the dictator Shah and denied people's revolution. this was surely a great mistake.
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why not? even israel is trusted with 200 nukes and a radical zionist regime.
Their Radical Zionist Regime™ is contained within a democratic framework. So the Radical Zionist Regime™ cant do anything without the consent of the Israeli people.

The same is not true of Iran. That is why I don't trust them with nukes.


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Him: what suggestions would you have for Obama if he is placed in the position to move forward with those discussions?

I suggest him to see iran as a important power in region, not a weak country full of terrorists. he should discuss at least these issues:

1- letting Iranian people decide about internal affairs.
I am all in favor of that, and I am sure he is too. Let me know when the Iranian People have control of their internal affairs.


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4- inviting iranian elites to us or us elites to iran and having conferences, seminars, exchange ideas and helping each other.
By "elites" do you mean elected representatives? Please clarify.

I'm not sure how we can negotiate with the Iranian People if we cant talk to them or their elected representatives. All we can do right now is talk to the oligarchy that currently has power over them.


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5- sanctions. us has almost destroyed iran by sanctions.
The purpose of the sanctions is to force Iran to cease it's pursuit of nuclear weapons. So they can end the sanctions whenever they want. They have the initiative.

Imposing sanctions is bad. Allowing Iran to gain nukes is worse. I will take "bad" over "worse".


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this will end the enmity.
Then enmity cannot end at this time.



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iran and us can be good allies.
Not until their government becomes a democracy. We will never really trust them until that happens.



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everything started from when us supported the dictator Shah and denied people's revolution.
For which I am openly critical of my government. I fully agree we were wrong to do that. We should have known better than to support a non-democracy.

As a neocon, I can no tolerance for non-democracies. But neocons were not in power at that time. Paleocons were. And they didn't have a problem supporting a friendly dictatorship.

So we are cleaning up the mess they made. But supporting Irans current government will lead to similar problems. It will not clean up the mess, it will make the mess bigger.
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That's a red herring...power plants generate electricity which is powered by oil. And oil is far FAR cheaper for Iran (and more abundant) than nuclear power. Them using it makes no sense.
First and foremost, Perham this is an awesome thread. Keep it up.

Rebellion,I agree that Iran's nuke plants are for nukes, but they are also probably for power generation. They may have huge reserves of oil and natural gas, but they also sell them in order to buy things that they cannot produce in their own country.
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He's come here to Knowingly Deceive.

To Lie and apologize for the Ayatollahocracy.

Transparent BS.

a 20 yr old no less, who should be in the forefront of free speech and opposing that Crapocracy that is Iran

His effort was knowingly Dishonest and Disingenuous... and he could not even answer the simplest truth.
Actually from what I gather, you're asking loaded questions so that you can reinforce your own negative stereotypes. When he kindly refuses, you get pissy about it.

It's actually rather sad.
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First and foremost, Perham this is an awesome thread. Keep it up.

Rebellion,I agree that Iran's nuke plants are for nukes, but they are also probably for power generation. They may have huge reserves of oil and natural gas, but they also sell them in order to buy things that they cannot produce in their own country.
And they have a serious shortage of refinery capacity. So anything that cuts down on the need for refined (as opposed to crude) oil makes sense.
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I have a question...

How many, and what type, of weapons did Ronald Reagan sell to Iran?
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I have a question...

How many, and what type, of weapons did Ronald Reagan sell to Iran?
all I know is from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair
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