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Old 04-10-2008, 09:25 PM
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Destroying the regime means defeating their military. How can a nation like Iran remain sovereign with a defeated military and no leadership?
I said we had no long term interest in denying them sovereignty, not that its our responsibility to make sure they keep it. If they can't form another sovereign government that is acceptable to us after we destroy this one, that is their problem. If another regime organizes that is a threat to us, we will simply destroy that as well.
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I said we had no long term interest in denying them sovereignty, not that its our responsibility to make sure they keep it. If they can't form another sovereign government that is acceptable to us after we destroy this one, that is their problem. If another regime organizes that is a threat to us, we will simply destroy that as well.
I'm glad you're not in government.
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I'm glad you're not in government.
LOL. I'm simply describing the truth of the situation. Iran's best interest lies in understanding these facts. I would have told Japan the same thing, don't be utterly stupid and square off against the USA. And, look what happened to them, they are still dying from that war and now they love us, for (*)(*)(*)(*) good reasons.

Its real simple. the iranian regime is evil, outmatched, and doomed. Any discussion that doesn't make this clear is doing iran a disservice.
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Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

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Terrorism
The calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear
According to former NSA Director Gen. Odom, "They [al Qaeda] implore the United States to bomb and invade Iran and destroy this apostate Shiite regime. As an aside, it gives me pause to learn that our vice president and some members of the Senate are aligned with al Qaeda on spreading the war to Iran."

What is your opinion of al Qaeda? Do you disapprove of their violent methods, and if so, what differentiates their tactics from Iran-supported groups like Hezbollah? The Taliban in Afghanistan is funded by Iran: is this good policy seeing as you're supposed to detest them?

On the other hand, what is your biggest complaint about American foreign policy? And keeping in mind that we consider Iran having nuclear capability very worrying, what would you have us do differently if you were in our shoes?

Iran recently urged OPEC to drop the declining US dollar and to accept other currencies in exchange for oil. Your country has even gone so far as to create the Iranian Oil Bourse. This strongly threatens the dollar's position as the reserve currency of the world. Is there any discussion at all in your country about these developments?

I bring that up because several have put forth the argument that Saddam's decision to accept Euros in exchange for Iraq's oil was a major factor that led to US aggression. Venezuela and your country have made similar moves, and as you can see, we're not exactly on friendly terms. Our leaders know that the end of the dollar hegemony would cause great chaos and heavily decrease US influence around the globe.

Also, speaking of oil, do you find it ironic that despite all the rhetoric, Israel imports Iranian oil via Europe for of its high-grade quality?
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One of my favorite books. Have you really read it?
no, I read a brief article about it, but I agree with the sentence.
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I would have told Japan the same thing, don't be utterly stupid and square off against the USA. And, look what happened to them, they are still dying from that war and now they love us, for (*)(*)(*)(*) good reasons.
They love you? Really?

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Its real simple. the iranian regime is evil, outmatched, and doomed.
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What is your opinion of al Qaeda? Do you disapprove of their violent methods, and if so, what differentiates their tactics from Iran-supported groups like Hezbollah?
they are radical islamic terrorists and needed to be destroyed by every country in the region. hezbollah is a people organization in lebanon that has been created to oppose the israeli invades. they're all differences.

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The Taliban in Afghanistan is funded by Iran: is this good policy seeing as you're supposed to detest them?
Iran was at war with taliban, even helped us in invading afghanistan, and never funded/will fund taliban. that's false. they have killed many of our troops in the borders in these years. they deserve die.

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On the other hand, what is your biggest complaint about American foreign policy? And keeping in mind that we consider Iran having nuclear capability very worrying, what would you have us do differently if you were in our shoes?
the us foreign policy is totally formed around getting more oil. they use taxpayers money to fight the wars, then the private companies will benefit from the invasion, that means, you're paying your private countries, by getting nothing. I wouldn't have lied to my own country.
and also I would let iran to do his job under the supervision of IAEA. that was enough for anyone else, that should be enough for iran too.

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Iran recently urged OPEC to drop the declining US dollar and to accept other currencies in exchange for oil. Your country has even gone so far as to create the Iranian Oil Bourse. This strongly threatens the dollar's position as the reserve currency of the world. Is there any discussion at all in your country about these developments?
the weakening of dollar made rial weak & our imports got more expensive. as you know, we don't have trades with us companies, so we wouldn't benefit from the weak dollar. that's why they're changing the currency. to avoid another serious damage to the economy.

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I bring that up because several have put forth the argument that Saddam's decision to accept Euros in exchange for Iraq's oil was a major factor that led to US aggression. Venezuela and your country have made similar moves, and as you can see, we're not exactly on friendly terms. Our leaders know that the end of the dollar hegemony would cause great chaos and heavily decrease US influence around the globe.
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Also, speaking of oil, do you find it ironic that despite all the rhetoric, Israel imports Iranian oil via Europe for of its high-grade quality?
that's really funny!
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no, I read a brief article about it, but I agree with the sentence.
Yes, it was obvious you had not read the book. A better form of the sentence, from the book and the character that wrote both, is "violence is the FIRST refuge of the incompetent" since the character in question was quite competent using violence, when it was the most effective method to obtain his goals.

You should read more Western books. They will help ease the muslim brainwashing.

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hezbollah is a people organization in lebanon that has been created to oppose the Israeli invades. they're all differences.
hezzbolah is a pack of cold blooded murdering terrorists just like muhammed. As long as your country continues to support them, you are doomed. iran is like a mosquito that has been biting us (the sleeping giant) now for like 20 years with us half-haphazardly slapping it away without waking. However, 9/11 woke us up, without our coffee, and now we are a little irritable. Your regime and obviously the iranian people have no idea how close you are to facing the full might of our military power. You should not be fooled by the lunie liberals here. They have no power over our foreign policy in this regard and never will. As the evidence that iran is heavily involved in both terrorism and fighting us in iraq comes out, the American people are going to become increasingly ready to kick your butt. One incident where we catch your people red-handed will be enough to unite the country, aside from a few loonie, unimportant libs, to destroy your regime. And, I believe W is going to do it already before he leaves office anyway, due to the acts of war already committed by iran.

The end of the iranian regime is near.
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Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

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Iran and USA. I hope they'll be friends. they're obviously not friends right now.
That is unlikely to change for a variety of reasons.



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Though I think you might be confused on what "bias" means. Outright lying and such go beyond bias. Bias means a slant on how the truth is present and which truths are presented.
Yeah, thats an important distinction. The fact that a site presents accurate facts does not mean they are not biased. If they don't represent both sides fairly, they can still be accurate (truthful) but untrustworthy as a source.

All sources are biased to some degree...it's just a matter of what is acceptable to you. I accept CNN and MSNBC as valid sources despite the fact that I believe they are liberal-biased. Right now there are no Arab or Islamic sites I have seen that I consider valid sources, because of their extreme bias.
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