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Old 04-07-2008, 07:26 AM
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Do you believe that Mahmoud wants to destroy Israel? The things Ive read about his particular Islamic beliefs,a war of this nature is necessary and predestined to occur.
he may want, but he doesn't have the power to declare a war. that power is invested to the supreme leader.
I think he's radical enough, though.
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:35 AM
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This is what Ive heard but I have feeling however destroying Israel would encompass something more covert and ambiguous.Its no secret that Iran is arming most of Israels closest enemies with the latest weaponry.Wouldnt it be safe to assume, somehow ,the Guard could succeed in simply arming one of the many terrorist groups they support with something much more destructive than RPGs and IEDs if they were developed (ie nuclear armed missles).

I mean afterall they havent 'declared' war on the US but they are involved in the war in Iraq in more than a political peace broker role.Dont you agree?
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Him: I don't understand how Iran can become a democracy when the Ayatollah has just as much power as elected officials? Any ideas?

I actually accept that it's an oligarchy. I hope we can make it become democracy.
Glad to see you finally came around.

I agree that it is not impossible that Iran can become a democracy. I just don't see it as likely. The ruling establishment is unlikely to willingly relinquish it's power. The government has far more real control in Iran the the American government does here.
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This is what Ive heard but I have feeling however destroying Israel would encompass something more covert and ambiguous.Its no secret that Iran is arming most of Israels closest enemies with the latest weaponry.Wouldnt it be safe to assume, somehow ,the Guard could succeed in simply arming one of the many terrorist groups they support with something much more destructive than RPGs and IEDs if they were developed (ie nuclear armed missles).
we don't have the power to destroy the israel. any war in ME that includes iran, would make here like hell, so it's so stupid to start a war.
we don't have nukes, if we had it, the government would have been proud to announce that.
also, I don't believe that hizbullah is a terrorist group. if they weren't there, lebanon was occupied by israel years ago. they also don't do any assassination. it's prohibited in shiite's ideology. all their actions within the lebanon against israel is justified as defending their country.

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I mean afterall they havent 'declared' war on the US but they are involved in the war in Iraq in more than a political peace broker role.Dont you agree?
I hear that a lot. I simply don't know. I just asked one of your vets to clear the issue for me and still awaiting the answer.
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This is what Ive heard but I have feeling however destroying Israel would encompass something more covert and ambiguous.Its no secret that Iran is arming most of Israels closest enemies with the latest weaponry.Wouldnt it be safe to assume, somehow ,the Guard could succeed in simply arming one of the many terrorist groups they support with something much more destructive than RPGs and IEDs if they were developed (ie nuclear armed missles).

I mean afterall they havent 'declared' war on the US but they are involved in the war in Iraq in more than a political peace broker role.Dont you agree?
trying to figure out why iran's export of armaments to its allies is viewed as condemnable while the USA's exports of advanced weaponry to those aligned in opposition to iran is deemed to be reasonable
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A meeting of Arab leaders here appears to have realigned the balance of power in the Middle East in favor of the pragmatic policies and moderate forces opposed to Iran and led by Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Arab oil producers in the Persian Gulf.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...52C1A961948260
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US Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns has signed a deal that will provide Israel with $30bn (£14.8bn) of military aid over the next 10 years.

The Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, has said the aid will preserve his country's military advantage over other countries in the Middle East.
The new military aid package represents a 25% increase from present levels.
The US announced multi-billion-dollar arms deals with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and other Gulf states last month. Washington says it wants to help its allies in the
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The Bush administration is preparing to ask Congress to approve an arms sale package for Saudi Arabia and its neighbors that is expected to eventually total $20 billion at a time when some United States officials contend that the Saudis are playing a counterproductive role in Iraq.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/28/wa...28weapons.html
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Glad to see you finally came around.

I agree that it is not impossible that Iran can become a democracy. I just don't see it as likely. The ruling establishment is unlikely to willingly relinquish it's power. The government has far more real control in Iran the the American government does here.
well, you know, time changes everything. it's much more democratic than 20 years ago now. I can see my generation that will control the future Iran, having totally different ideas. people became smarter these days. I'm full of hope.
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well, you know, time changes everything. it's much more democratic than 20 years ago now. I can see my generation that will control the future Iran, having totally different ideas. people became smarter these days. I'm full of hope.
but that is the same thing my generation said back in the late 60's, early 70's and look who from our generation has screwed the pooch in world affairs (domestic affairs, too)
hope your prediction turns out better
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but that is the same thing my generation said back in the late 60's, early 70's and look who from our generation has screwed the pooch in world affairs (domestic affairs, too)
hope your prediction turns out better
I hope so! I don't think future people would actually vote someone as stupid as bush. search the net for his quotes, they're the funniest things I've ever heard.
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trying to figure out why iran's export of armaments to its allies is viewed as condemnable while the USA's exports of advanced weaponry to those aligned in opposition to iran is deemed to be reasonable

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...52C1A961948260
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6948981.stm

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/28/wa...28weapons.html

Apples and oranges my friend.

Covertly arming and training designated terrorists group (while all the while denying it) isnt quite the same as issuing public statements regarding arms deals with allies.

Not to mention we also sell armaments to many of Israels foes (for a lack of a better word),perhaps in an effort to balance the perceived preference.In any case for your analogy to hold water ,Iran would also need to arm Israel to keep things even.
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President Bush should take the iranian regime out, along with all their military and especially nuke sites, before he leaves office. The iranian nutcases can not be allowed nukes as they WILL use them either openly or more likely through the terror proxies so they can then deny responsibility.
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