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Old 03-14-2008, 08:19 AM
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I believe that human rights are endowed from my Creator, that they are inherent to my being, immutable and that no force on earth can separate my rights from me.

I'd be interested in hearing from others on where they feel Rights come from...

For instance, a lot of people in the US feel very strongly that their Rights come from the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution. I've heard many a European proclaim that our Rights are 'what ever we say they are,' others believe that Rights are 'what ever the government says they are.'

What do you think Rights are; From where do they come and are they subject to change?

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I believe that human rights are endowed from my Creator, that they are inherent to my being, immutable and that no force on earth can separate my rights from me.
I don't believe (or disbelieve) in a Creator, but I agree that basic human rights are something we have a right to expect simply by virtue of being human.

As a practical matter, of course, what is considered a "right" and which "rights" are considered "basic", and the extent to which they are protected/realized, are a function of the laws and practices of a particular country.

But just because a given country recognizes/doesn't recognize something as a right, doesn't mean that it is/isn't a basic human right.

Basic human rights include:

1. The right to think, say, and do anything you want as long as it doesn't interfere with another's right to think, say and do anything they want;

2. Right to live;

3. Right to privacy (sometimes phrased as the "right to be left alone"), within limits;

I know I'm forgetting some big ones; I'm writing this in my spare time at work.
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I'm more of the social contract type, or at least some form of social contract theory. Human rights don't come from the Creator because in nature... our only rights are to eat or be eaten. Humans have an inherent right to take away the rights of others, up to and including life... provided they have the strength or cunning to do so.
The notion of human rights comes about as an encoding of just what we need to expect from one another, especially as population grows beyond tribal sustainability, if we are going to enjoy peace, prosperity, and any amount of real freedom for the population (for total individualist anarchy is more oppressive than even fascism could ever dream of, at least if you're not the strong/cunning one).
We agree to not do certain things in order to enjoy the freedom of those things happening to us. This can be the usual thing that people expect: I will not kill you to ensure no one will kill me... or the more abstract: I will attempt to conserve resources as not to screw everyone over, including myself.
All cultures have the moral basic that amounts to the Golden Rule as that is the most intuitive.
What becomes challenging is when societies outgrow tribalism. Because humans have a tendency to apply the golden rule only to insiders. The state and other such institutions exist to minimize the double standard as an extension of the social contract.

God made a world in which life must destroy life to continue living.
Then he put humans into it, creatures that are intelligent and socially inclined and thus find the ways of God's overall creation immoral (yet somehow they manage to twist this the other way around in their need to kiss up to the Creator).
Human ingenuity and empathy is what creates harmony and freeedom in spite of the Creator's work.
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This is something I rarely think about.
But it is funny you bring it up right after George Carlin's latest HBO special.

He concluded the show with the concept that there are no such things as rights, only privleges. Then gave numerous examples where rights were taken away. Rights we assumed or do assume we have all the time.

It really is just a matter of a person with a gun demonstrating to you that you have no rights.

Gun > rights

So I guess I believe that rights are a man made construct and are based on whatever man can agree upon at the time.

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