Originally Posted by Publius Infinitum

Leftism is an ideology which stands as antithetical to the principles on which the United States is founded. As a result Leftists are NOT Americans, not now, not then, not ever.

Originally Posted by frodly

Our country was founded by hardcore liberals! So you really have no idea what you are talking about!! The conservatives of that day wanted to stay with britain! It was the liberals who wanted independence!

Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer

LOL! I'm just sorry I couldn't give your post a rec there...My mother, who's as conservative as they come, is laughing herself silly that PI is unaware of the fact the founding fathers were radical liberalists...

As she put it there wouldn't be a USofA if it wasn't for the liberal forefather's daring to break away from England. She says that even though liberals today might be a thorn in the side of conservatives, it's their very spirit that's reflective of the spirit our forefathers...

Gotta love her.

Originally Posted by Publius Infinitum

Well the founders were, as PI IS... Advocates of Liberty. This point of view returns us once again to the dangers of allowing political forces to misuse the language... Here we see a member who misunderstands the word "liberal" as it is chronically applied to modern leftists; because the left falsely adheres themselves to this word, which conveys a concept they wish to project as describing them; but in fact is wholly antithetical to what they actually are; she believes that liberals are advocates of liberty; that liberals are on some level analogous with the Framers of the United States. I imagine that she may also feel that homosexuals are joyful because they're referred to as 'gay'...

The fact is, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING liberating about leftism... Leftism is the advocacy of the collective OVER the rights inherent to the individual. The Framers authored a Constitution which expressly limits the power of government... that's the precise ideological opposite of what leftism stands for.

There is not a single example on the history of humanity where even a single human being has been liberated by a leftist or polcy advanced by leftism.

Originally Posted by frodly

Yes you are an advocate of liberty! You just started a thread saying we should raise the voting age to 30, because you disagree with under 30s on politics! That is the very opposite of supporting liberty!!

Originally Posted by BillyBob

I think his point is that people under the age of 30 don't have enough real life experience to make an informed decision when it comes to voting for a candidate.

Young minds are easily manipulated due to lack of responsibility and juvenile ideology.


I'm pretty sure that's what he meant......

Originally Posted by frodly

Or you could say, your minds are to easily manipulated because you have too much responsibility! I think that is more honest! I know a lot more about politics than my parents! That is because I just graduated college and am looking for a job! All I currently do is substitute teach! So I have lots of time on my hands, to ensure I am not manipulated!

Also that is not what he meant! He meant that young people are liberal(which is very debatable) he dislikes liberals, so ban them from voting!