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Old 03-16-2008, 10:03 PM
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Hasn't been a decent Democrat in my lifetime. That may change but for it to they are going to have to radically alter their party back to that of pre-76'.
Wait now, there have been decent Democrats since then. What you are using as a turning point is pertinent though.
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I suppose I'm alone in not really voting based on antis... at least in this election.
I actually began this election with at least net positive opinions of all three candidates.
Of course all the candidates I liked better are gone... and as the race rolls on, I'm starting to like all three candidates less.

I suppose I'm the closest to being anti-Hillary. I don't dislike her or her policies so much as her cynicism and the ugliness of her campaign machine.
I went Democrat to see the party change and be brought back to the people. Clinton represents the top-down structure of the party today.
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So if you are pro-capitalism and pro-Free markets, do you believe in open immigration where if a person is willing to work at any wage an employer will pay him or her?
Why not? The employer/employee obviously have to agree to a pay scale first. However, don't forget...I also support revoking business licenses for ANYONE who hires illegal aliens. I also support denial of any public service for aliens, as well.

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While I think the govt should protect the rights of its citizens first, I also am a realist who sees that free-market capitalism cannot be contained in a border wall.
Don't need a wall. Just need to make living in the USA much more uncomfortable for Mexican invaders, than it is, living in Mexico.

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I also think it is ludicrous to say that the Democratic Party is socialist.
You obviously haven't been paying attention to all the socialist entitlement programs that Obama and the Hildabeast have been dangling in front of this country's losers.

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Many people just want low taxes
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being a republican or conservative means wanting a Theocratic-Christian govt
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To me, it seems like there are so many opposing ideas within each political party that no party is "socialist" or "capitalist"
Yes, but when one party constantly talks about raping rich people, taking that money, and just doling it out to the dregs of society, simply because rich people have more money, THAT'S SOCIALISM.

How about instead of demonizing those in our society who've become successful, we should strive to become like they are, instead of vice versa?
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It will take greater govt oversight to regulate businesses who hire illegal immigrants. Not that I'm against it, but Capitalism is supposed to encourage govt de-regulation.

Mexican immigrants are in the US because life sucks in Mexico. They should either pay for social services, or we just need to get rid of social services altogether.

I don't know what the tax burden is on people making over $100,000 - when i get there, i will figure a way to hide my money.

But George Bush is also giving me a Stimulus package - I'll take the handout but I didn't ask for it.

Evangelical Republicans want govt to instigate pro-life, anti-birth control, school prayer, anti-gay marriage. However, not all republicans feel this way.

Christians also want to help the poor and support immigration of the impoverished and reach across racial barriers.


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Why not? The employer/employee obviously have to agree to a pay scale first. However, don't forget...I also support revoking business licenses for ANYONE who hires illegal aliens. I also support denial of any public service for aliens, as well.


Don't need a wall. Just need to make living in the USA much more uncomfortable for Mexican invaders, than it is, living in Mexico.


You obviously haven't been paying attention to all the socialist entitlement programs that Obama and the Hildabeast have been dangling in front of this country's losers.


Yeah, but screw the rich people, right?


Where the hell did you get that? If you're going to make a blanket statement like that, you better have some facts to back it up.


Yes, but when one party constantly talks about raping rich people, taking that money, and just doling it out to the dregs of society, simply because rich people have more money, THAT'S SOCIALISM.

How about instead of demonizing those in our society who've become successful, we should strive to become like they are, instead of vice versa?
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Hasn't been a decent Democrat in my lifetime. That may change but for it to they are going to have to radically alter their party back to that of pre-76'.
What would that be the days of Strom Thurmond, when they were Dixiecrats.


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In elections, its just as effective to be a like-able candidate as it is to be against a candidate. That is why negative campaigning works to a degree, particularly if a candidate cannot over come the negative issues.

Obama's rise is not based on his race, but it has helped him in predominately Black districts where racial pride is important. Hillary has also benefited from female-pride. But Obama's rise is also based on a lot of anti-Hillary and anti-the past sentiment.

Hillary complains that voters don't know her and the media is not giving her favorable coverage. She has been in the media for 20 years and has generally received favorable coverage since her election to the Senate. The reasons that people don't like her is that they do know her and that they don't want to vote for her. Familiarity breeds contempt.

If Democrat voters wanted experience, they would have chosen Dodd, Biden, or Richardson. Hillary benefits greatly from the 60% female democrat voters.

For Republicans, they will vote for Experience every time, and that is why McCain won the primary over his lesser experienced opponents.

In the end, the election will come down to whether Centrist-voters want McCain's experience, or Obama's change.

Republicans will never vote for a Democrat - even though many say they will vote for Obama. I just don't think Republicans will ever find a "perfect Democrat" that they can vote for. However, McCain may lose the evangelical vote and wall street vote given his derision of both groups.
No, I am against the selfness of Neo-Repulican (Replican conservatives). They will bail out a bank with tax payers' dollars, and will be the first to say that we don't want our money to fund governmental financial aid.
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The Republicans are bailing out the wealthy Wall Streeters because they have donated to the GOP party and they want to placate the wealthy families.

Also, if banks fail, more savings and loans will be lost and a cascading effect will ruin retirement savings and jobs, like Enron.
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The Republicans are bailing out the wealthy Wall Streeters because they have donated to the GOP party and they want to placate the wealthy families.

Also, if banks fail, more savings and loans will be lost and a cascading effect will ruin retirement savings and jobs, like Enron.
I don't agree with the first statement at all. The mission of the Federal Reserve is to maintain stability within the banking system. When one bank goes down there is a ripple effect that can bring down many more as you said, but of course you never hear this talked about in the news.

I would be happy if they placed some sort of regulation on drawing loans out of equity in a house, as well as the types of financing people are getting on their homes. Unfortunately people are too stupid to enter into financial contracts that are within their means, and clearly there are financial institutions out there that threw out risk assessment in favor of rolling the dice.
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I am pro-truth! I am pro-integrity! I am pro-patience, kindness, gentleness, meekness, longsuffering, friendship, and personal accountability. I am pro-life, pro-family, pro-America, and pro-National Security. I am pro-God, pro-Mom, and pro-Apple-fricken-pie. I am pro-balanced budget, and am pro-Democracy. I am pro-free speech and pro-Marriage. I am pro-Free Market Economy. I am pro-Responsible Gun ownership and enforcable boarder control.

Therefore I can't possibly be Pro-Hillary, Pro-Barak, or Pro-Democratic Party. And it's not my father's democrats who made it that way. It is the fault of the far left, who high-jacked the Democratic Party to advance a minority political ideology.

I WAS VERY WILLING TO VOTE DEMOCRATIC IN THIS NEXT ELECTION, IF THE DEMS MADE A GOOD CALL ON WHO CHOSE TO REPRESENT THEIR PARTY! Because I am also upset with the leadership we see coming from the White House and the RNC. McCain was not their first pick! Trust me! (Which is another reason why we should vote him into office.)

It is my strong conviction that John McCain has the courage to try and undo the damage. But if he can't pull it off, then I am confident that the political leadership of the RNC is incapable of giving us a national candidate and I will find one myself.
as a member of the UK Labour party I concur!

From a personal standpoint, as a socialist, I like McCain and would vote for him if I did not agree with the platform the Democratic candidate stood on, rather like the Fragrant Anne Coulters stance on voting for Ms Clinton if she is the Democratic pick, because to quote loosely " Ms Clinton is more right wing than McCain"
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as a member of the UK Labour party I concur!

From a personal standpoint, as a socialist, I like McCain and would vote for him if I did not agree with the platform the Democratic candidate stood on, rather like the Fragrant Anne Coulters stance on voting for Ms Clinton if she is the Democratic pick, because to quote loosely " Ms Clinton is more right wing than McCain"
You want to talk about how Americans think they should vote in English barneys?

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The Republicans are bailing out the wealthy Wall Streeters because they have donated to the GOP party and they want to placate the wealthy families.

Also, if banks fail, more savings and loans will be lost and a cascading effect will ruin retirement savings and jobs, like Enron.
Oh this is laughable "ruin retirement savings"? Apparently now Enron and Exxon are responsible for the collapse of Social Security. Explain.
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