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Old 03-16-2008, 05:41 PM
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Default Are you anti-Obama, anti-Hillary, or anti-Democrat?

In elections, its just as effective to be a like-able candidate as it is to be against a candidate. That is why negative campaigning works to a degree, particularly if a candidate cannot over come the negative issues.

Obama's rise is not based on his race, but it has helped him in predominately Black districts where racial pride is important. Hillary has also benefited from female-pride. But Obama's rise is also based on a lot of anti-Hillary and anti-the past sentiment.

Hillary complains that voters don't know her and the media is not giving her favorable coverage. She has been in the media for 20 years and has generally received favorable coverage since her election to the Senate. The reasons that people don't like her is that they do know her and that they don't want to vote for her. Familiarity breeds contempt.

If Democrat voters wanted experience, they would have chosen Dodd, Biden, or Richardson. Hillary benefits greatly from the 60% female democrat voters.

For Republicans, they will vote for Experience every time, and that is why McCain won the primary over his lesser experienced opponents.

In the end, the election will come down to whether Centrist-voters want McCain's experience, or Obama's change.

Republicans will never vote for a Democrat - even though many say they will vote for Obama. I just don't think Republicans will ever find a "perfect Democrat" that they can vote for. However, McCain may lose the evangelical vote and wall street vote given his derision of both groups.
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I'm anti-socialist..

...so that's all three.
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So if you are pro-capitalism and pro-Free markets, do you believe in open immigration where if a person is willing to work at any wage an employer will pay him or her?

While I think the govt should protect the rights of its citizens first, I also am a realist who sees that free-market capitalism cannot be contained in a border wall.

I also think it is ludicrous to say that the Democratic Party is socialist. That is a very vague term. Many people just want low taxes - which is okay, but then they want more border security, more military spending, more restrictions on women's rights.

So being a republican or conservative means wanting a Theocratic-Christian govt, that supports free trade and free markets, and supports a military buildup.

To me, it seems like there are so many opposing ideas within each political party that no party is "socialist" or "capitalist"
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I'm anti-socialist..

...so that's all three.
I'm anti-democrat, which is all three.
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anti-hilary and anti-obama but i am still a democrat. The democrats should of had a more moderate candidate someone like Bill Clinton He supports the freemarket but will still watch out for his citizens, not a socialist.
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I'm anti-socialist..

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ditto!

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So if you are pro-capitalism and pro-Free markets, do you believe in open immigration where if a person is willing to work at any wage an employer will pay him or her?
I don't believe in open immigration. I believe the border should be closed off as tight as possible, right now. But I do support amnesty for the illegal immigrants that are here already. That opinion of mine isn't popular among my fellow conservatives.
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I also think it is ludicrous to say that the Democratic Party is socialist. That is a very vague term. Many people just want low taxes - which is okay, but then they want more border security, more military spending, more restrictions on women's rights.
The democratic party absolutely does support methods of redistribution, which is inherently socialist. They are socialists.

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So being a republican or conservative means wanting a Theocratic-Christian govt, that supports free trade and free markets, and supports a military buildup.
I do not support theocracy. Capitalism does not require religious belief. I do support having a superior military.

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To me, it seems like there are so many opposing ideas within each political party that no party is "socialist" or "capitalist"
The Republican party of today does have socialist policies. Most of which I disagree with. Since the democrats have more socialist policies than the repubs, I'm often forced to vote for the lesser of two evils.
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But higher taxes are needed to pay for Border control and a military buildup.

Many companies benefit from cheap labor, and our economy benefits. But immigration is an issue that all Americans are concerned with. But by seeking to control immigration, we are creating a very, very Fascist state with huge govt over-sight.

Re-distribution is a myth - Bill Clinton did not hurt the economy. You're just worried about higher taxes, but these higher taxes are needed to pay for all this military spending.

I would say McCain hates corporations far more than Obama.

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I don't believe in open immigration. I believe the border should be closed off as tight as possible, right now. But I do support amnesty for the illegal immigrants that are here already. That opinion of mine isn't popular among my fellow conservatives.
The democratic party absolutely does support methods of redistribution, which is inherently socialist. They are socialists.

I do not support theocracy. Capitalism does not require religious belief. I do support having a superior military.


The Republican party of today does have socialist policies. Most of which I disagree with. Since the democrats have more socialist policies than the repubs, I'm often forced to vote for the lesser of two evils.
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So if you are pro-capitalism and pro-Free markets, do you believe in open immigration where if a person is willing to work at any wage an employer will pay him or her?

While I think the govt should protect the rights of its citizens first, I also am a realist who sees that free-market capitalism cannot be contained in a border wall.

I also think it is ludicrous to say that the Democratic Party is socialist. That is a very vague term. Many people just want low taxes - which is okay, but then they want more border security, more military spending, more restrictions on women's rights.

So being a republican or conservative means wanting a Theocratic-Christian govt, that supports free trade and free markets, and supports a military buildup.

To me, it seems like there are so many opposing ideas within each political party that no party is "socialist" or "capitalist"
This is a very simplistic view of conservatives. I'm moderate-conservative, but I understand that certain markets do not function well on the behalf of people as a whole in industries such as energy, or any other industry where economies of scale are necessary for efficiency and therefore also tend to favor only a select few major players. I'm mostly atheist with a spiritual side that pretty much consists of just morals. I also do not justify military build up for no reason at all, and I'm not particularly fond of the way in which we engaged this war on Iraq.

What I do believe is that this country is heading in a downward spiral due to babying far too many people through government programs that waste money, or are just unsustainable. There is also a growing number of people who see America as the land of what can I get for free. Just because you are born here does not mean you are entitled to a car, house, and even food for that matter. The fact that people even think socialized health care is financially sound in this countr, and on top of this should be thrown onto the list of other entitlements makes me sick.
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Therefore I can't possibly be Pro-Hillary, Pro-Barak, or Pro-Democratic Party. And it's not my father's democrats who made it that way. It is the fault of the far left, who high-jacked the Democratic Party to advance a minority political ideology.

I WAS VERY WILLING TO VOTE DEMOCRATIC IN THIS NEXT ELECTION, IF THE DEMS MADE A GOOD CALL ON WHO CHOSE TO REPRESENT THEIR PARTY! Because I am also upset with the leadership we see coming from the White House and the RNC. McCain was not their first pick! Trust me! (Which is another reason why we should vote him into office.)

It is my strong conviction that John McCain has the courage to try and undo the damage. But if he can't pull it off, then I am confident that the political leadership of the RNC is incapable of giving us a national candidate and I will find one myself.
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All 3.

Hasn't been a decent Democrat in my lifetime. That may change but for it to they are going to have to radically alter their party back to that of pre-76'.
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