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Old 04-07-2008, 11:03 AM
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Frankly, I think most proponents of military force as the solution to all problems simply lack the patience necessary to appreciate diplomatic success.
Hell, I don't even think the proponents of declaring war on Iran have considered what that entails.

Chickenhawks with their "oh it'll just take a week of bombing" or "let Israel do it" are delusional.
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A War cannot be won without the support of the Nation behind it doing a little sacrifice also.

This has not been happening.

My own personal experience is returning to the U.S. and seeing complacency. Life was very normal here, no indication at all we were involved in any war.
We learned in the 60's how effective and important it is to crush the masses' resolve to support wars we deem useless. The Iraq war would have never lasted this long if we had done a better job of getting the media closer to the military actions both abroad and at home.

If we stay our course, victory in Iraq will never occur and we can rest assured that Republicans will not get elected again for a long, long time to come. Keep the faith and stay determined to keep America from using military force against Iran. Vote for Obama or Hillary.............either will never allow American military to approach Iran.
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Vote for Obama or Hillary.............either will never allow American military to approach Iran.
i think you give mccain short shrift here. veterans of war tend to be much more circumspect than most when deciding to go to war. it is the chickenhawks like cheney who are very willing to let others do the dying on their behalf and at their command. too bad dubya bin lyin was able to get that sweetheart assignment defending texas' air space from the viet cong; had he served a combat tour in nam i doubt he would have been so easily prodded to launch the invasion of iraq
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If you have a problem grasping the idea of hypothetical questions, please go elsewhere.

There is a country - The Republic of Slobovia. It is a horrifying evil dictatorship. It is clear that nobody can overthrow the dictator - several attempts have been made, and all crushed. Many hundreds of thousands of the people of Slobovia have been killed by the dictator. The democratic nations contemplate this country: It is rather weak compared to first world countries. Should they liberate the country, they wonder. They think they can do that in relatively low cost of life, but they are concerned that a conflict between ethnic groups will break out in the aftermath, with fairly large loss of life. On the one hand, if they leave the dictator alone, and he and his successors kill people by the hundred thousand endlessly into the future.

What should the democratic countries do, and why?
If your Republican - Waste the dictator, restore order, hold the line until a government of the people is in place and solid.


If your Democrat - Vote to waste the dictator - then complain about the way it was done, threaten to defund the troops restoring order, complain that it is taking to long for the new government to get up and running and hope that from it you gain politically.
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