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Thread: Islam v The United States: How To Diffuse a Political Time-Bomb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    The 14th Amendment gives the right to EQUAL protection before the law.

    White Males (and Asian Males) have had that Right removed by Affirmative Action.

    In AA, we give special preferences to ALL but White Men for just about every facet that counts toward success in American life: High School Mentor-ships, Special College Prep programs, College Admittance, Grades, Scholarships, Work Study Programs, Waivers for time in program, Military Advancement, Study Grants, Business Loans, Business Licenses, Tax Exempt Status, Career Promotions, ...

    Good Gods, it would be easier to list the number of areas that AA has NOT gotten into!

    Well, at one point in time, all of the well paid positions of power in government and private employments, the top Echelons, were almost all held by White Men.

    Minorities and Women were given only the mid and bottom level positions. Its true, at one time we were extremely pro-White Male.

    So the White Male was the Doctor, the Woman was the Nurse, and the Black guy cleaned up the blood and barf.

    The White Male was the Engineer, the Woman was the Secretary, and the Black Guy ran the Die-Stamping machine.

    The White Male was the Supermarket chain CEO and the local store manager, the Black Guy stocked the store shelves and buffed the floor, and the Woman was the Cashier.

    So AA changed all of that, making to were the number of students getting college degrees in Business Management, or High Finance, or Engineering, or a Doctor of Medicine now included Blacks, and Women, and Hispanics. All of that was fine... Up to a Point!

    You see, AA was not JUST applied to the top tier Echelon, giving advantage to everyone BUT White Males and Asians, but it was an advantage given to ALL Tier Echelons to the "Designated Minorities"

    So, if you would have been a White Male destined to become a Doctor or Engineer under the old system, because of all the white men, you had the talent and drive...

    You didn't get bumped from the top tier, to the next tier down. Say from Doctor to Nurse, or Engineer/Scientist to Draftsman or Technician. You got bumped completely from EVERYTHING.

    Because AA was not being applied just at the top tiers, in fact, was most generously and successfully applied to the bottom tiers.

    Worse, and this is were the 14th Amendment Rights violation comes in, it was not applied proportionally, varying at need over time, or in both directions!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/politi...culture-2.html



    So the displaced, Talented White Males, had NO WHERE to go except DOWN into poverty!

    There were no programs to help the displaced White Males train into the lower echelon positions of Welder, Die-Stamp Machine operator, Nurse, .... NONE! In fact, in the Trade School, the "Designated Minorities" received even Bigger advantages than they did in the Colleges!

    For twenty years running, Women have now been 80% or more of the Four Year Degree College Graduates, but they are only 52% of the population, yet year after year, women continue to receive every sort of AA protection, preference and advantage! WHY?

    If AA was applied FAIRLY, in keeping with the 14th Amendment Right to EQUAL protection of the law, Long ago, at the very least women should have lost the AA protected person status.

    Similarly, many government institutions, particularly those in Public Housing Finance, have over 80% Black employment! Why are Blacks receiving AA preferences to join an organization with 7X as many Black employees as are present in the general population!

    AA is NOT being applied bi-directionally. We are not protecting the rights of White Males to EQUAL treatment by "Diversity Enforcement Law".

    The Supreme Court was briefed on this issue multiple times over the years, they KNEW it was happening, and yet kept AA going down the same path for GENERATIONS!

    If that's not a suspension of the 14th Amendment Rights of White Males (and Asians), What the Hell is it!?

    It is NOT Diversity they are creating, is a Lock-Out of White Men.

    There are 330 Million Americans ( counting Illegals), Whites are 64% of that population, and Men are 48% of those = 101 Million Americans.

    If you're the son of a Already Wealthy White Family, the Son of Bill Gates, or Lee Iacocca, you still got your degree and a good career.

    If you're the son of a plumber in southern New Mexico, you got the shaft!

    No wonder our society cannot compete in the world market. We're throwing away all of the Talent of that 50 Million White Males that are not coming from wealthy families!
    It seems to me that the SCOTUS has ruled AGAINST affirmative action, and universities and employers continue to enact it anyway, in defiance. Maybe whopper court suits is the answer. Of sourse, then you run into the problem so common in all court suits >> that of PROVING what is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny-C View Post
    Correct.

    I think that if we adhere closely to "Separation of Church and State" principles, we'll be okay. But as soon as we allow 'religion' to become or overly influence the law... we can say goodbye to true "...Liberty and Justice for All."...
    Absolutely, and never has this been more of a threat to our liberty than from Islam. Islam is not only totally against the idea of "all of us- to worship- or not worship- as we please", it is also against our freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom to petition for redress of grievances, freedom to drink alcoholic beverages, freedom to ride in taxis with dogs, freedom to be gay, equality for women, and hundreds of other freedoms.
    Last edited by protectionist; Jun 18 2013 at 04:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFJEFF View Post
    Major world religion founded by Muhammad in Arabia in the early 7th century AD.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/islam


    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

    Examples of RELIGION

    There are many religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism.

    If you are going to give definitions of from the Dictionary....well lets give them all.

    According to Webster- Islam is a religion

    And according to the U.S. Constitution- we have freedom of worship- not just worship approved religions.
    So your Websters dictionary says one thing. Mine says another. But not only does my dictionary not agree with you and your dictionary, neither do most people around the world, and all the long list of links I cited, and thousands of sources within them. And if you just Google "Islam-not a religion" you get 139 Million results, starting with the nation of Italy with whom Islam is officially NOT recognized as a religion, and therefore does not benefit from Italy's "religion tax", as do Catholicism, Judaism and smaller groups, such as the Assemblies of God, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Seventh-Day Adventists, all of whom enjoy the official recognition in the form of signed agreements with the Italian government.

    And since Islam is NOT a religion the Constitution's protection of freedom of religion has nothing whatsoever to do with it, except that to note that Islam is a complete contradiction and defiance of that very Constitution, and nothing was ever more UNconstitutional than Islam.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Italy

    http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2010/07/28...ot-a-religion/

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/27211

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...ax-status.html

    http://thepatriotfactor.blogspot.com...-religion.html

    http://www.amazon.com/Allah-Is-Dead-.../dp/0578073900

    http://catchkevin.com/islam-not-protected/

    http://beforeitsnews.com/internation...y-2451630.html

    http://www.islamreview.com/articles/...religion.shtml

    http://avideditor.wordpress.com/2008...mplete-system/

    http://www.awsg.us/islam-is-not-a-religion/

    http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/205742

    http://www.thecatholicthing.org/colu...-religion.html

    https://sites.google.com/site/islami...tical-ideology

    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/20...-religion.html
    Last edited by protectionist; Jun 18 2013 at 04:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protectionist View Post
    Absolutely, and never has this been more of a threat to our liberty than from Islam. Islam is not only totally against the idea of "all of us- to worship- or not worship- as we please", it is also against our freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom to petition for redress of grievances, freedom to drink alcoholic beverages, freedom to ride in taxis with dogs, freedom to be gay, equality for women, and hundreds of other freedoms.
    I'd say that "Christians" have had their moments of being 'oppressive' here in America as well. Those moments are often overlooked, but our history is loaded with stories of Christians PUSHING their religion... instead of allowing others to be 'free' of religion.
    "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." -C. Darwin-

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    Quote Originally Posted by protectionist View Post
    So your Websters dictionary says one thing. Mine says another.
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    No- yours also says Islam is a religion. You just decided not to post what your dictionary says about Islam.

    All dictionaries call Islam a religion.

    http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/def..._english/Islam

    the religion of the Muslims, a monotheistic faith regarded as revealed through Muhammad as the Prophet of Allah.

    http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Islam
    the religion of the Muslims, a monotheistic faith regarded as revealed through Muhammad as the Prophet of Allah.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/islam

    the religious faith of Muslims, based on the words and religious system founded by the prophet Muhammad and taught by the Koran,

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/295507/Islam

    Islam, major world religion promulgated by the Prophet Muhammad in Arabia in the 7th century ce

    Look at any reference- and Islam is referred to as a religion. Even your dictionary.

    Quote Originally Posted by protectionist View Post
    But not only does my dictionary not agree with you and your dictionary, neither do most people around the world, and all the long list of links I cited, and thousands of sources within them. And if you just Google "Islam-not a religion" you get 139 Million results,
    ]
    Seriously? If you google "Elvis is Alive" you get 18,500,000 results.
    If you google Christianity is not a religion- you get 87,200,000 results.
    I can even get 8 million hits for "Unicorns are real"!

    How about this-
    Google- "Islam is a great religion"- 113,000,000 hits

    LOL

    Meanwhile- most of the world recognizes Islam as one of the three great monotheistic religions of the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by protectionist View Post
    starting with the nation of Italy with whom Islam is officially NOT recognized as a religion, and therefore does not benefit from Italy's "religion tax", as do Catholicism, Judaism and smaller groups, such as the Assemblies of God, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Seventh-Day Adventists, all of whom enjoy the official recognition in the form of signed agreements with the Italian government.]
    http://www.religionnews.com/2013/05/...ertain-future/

    “The Italian state wanted to recognize the religion,” Chalikandi lamented, “but unfortunately, the Muslim organizations and leaders couldn’t get a consensus and they couldn’t sign that accord with the government.”


    Meanwhile- the United States has recognized Islam as a religion for over 200 years- I am not certain why you refer to Italy rather than the U.S.

    Note the 1796 Treaty at Tripoli


    ARTICLE 11.
    As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

    And of course Jefferson himself recognized Islam as a religion- and Muslims deserving, like everyone, of religious freedom.

    http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/lynch...s-freedom.html

    Thomas Jefferson led the fight for religious freedom and separation of church and state in his native Virginia. This brought him into conflict with the Anglican Church, the established church in Virginia. After a long and bitter debate, Jefferson's statute for religious freedom passed the state legislature. In Jefferson's words, there was now "freedom for the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindu and infidel of every denomination."






    Quote Originally Posted by protectionist View Post
    And since Islam is NOT a religion the Constitution's protection of freedom of religion has nothing whatsoever to do with it, except that to note that Islam is a complete contradiction and defiance of that very Constitution, and nothing was ever more UNconstitutional than Islam.
    Hmmm who to believe- Thomas Jefferson- one of the key writers of the Constitution- or you?

    I will go with Thomas Jefferson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFJEFF View Post
    ...Hmmm who to believe- Thomas Jefferson- one of the key writers of the Constitution- or you?

    I will go with Thomas Jefferson.
    I'd very strongly agree, that Jefferson's views exude the truest wisdom on the matter.
    "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." -C. Darwin-

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    Then you should at least have the dencency to properly interpret Mr. Jefferson correctly. The wall of seperation was there to protect religion from the state not vice versa.
    When a leftist starts telling you how complicated something is you can bet that what he means is don't check his math.

    Only in America can one be called pro choice and still think people should have access to only one type of light bulb, power plant, limited choices for cars, and voice only one kind of political speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFJEFF View Post
    Note the 1796 Treaty at Tripoli


    ARTICLE 11.
    As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

    And of course Jefferson himself recognized Islam as a religion- and Muslims deserving, like everyone, of religious freedom.

    http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/lynch...s-freedom.html
    Of course, the Harmony between the US and the Mehomitan nation was soon thereafter interupted by two wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny-C View Post
    I'd say that "Christians" have had their moments of being 'oppressive' here in America as well. Those moments are often overlooked, but our history is loaded with stories of Christians PUSHING their religion... instead of allowing others to be 'free' of religion.
    At the risk of making a fool out of yourself, would you like to present some examples of Christians who to even the most meager degree, have pushed their religion to the extent of while pushing for denial of freedoms, on a level even remotely compared to Muslims ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFJEFF View Post
    No- yours also says Islam is a religion. You just decided not to post what your dictionary says about Islam. All dictionaries call Islam a religion. Look at any reference- and Islam is referred to as a religion. Even your dictionary.
    ALL 5 of these statements are FALSE! You do not get to change what my dictionary says. I say again >> My dictionary (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed.) says that a "religion" if a system of beliefs with a code of ethics. Since Islam is nothing but a ludicrous 1400 year carryover of a creed established by a 7th century pervert thug, and his band of thugs, simply to shield themselves from criticism (and it is still being used that way), it of course, is not a code of ethics, but is exactly THE OPPOSITE OF A CODE OF ETHICS.

    Quote Originally Posted by SFJEFF View Post
    Meanwhile- most of the world recognizes Islam as one of the three great monotheistic religions of the world.
    NONSENSE! The overwhelming majority of the non-Muslim world does not accept Islam as a religion. This is well-known, and even most Muslims probably don't accept it as a religion either, but rather just some awfully oppressive thing they must bear with (especially the women and pedophiled kids). And since almost every Muslim alive today is a Muslim only because his ancestors were either killed for refusing to convert, or were forced to convert, this entirely invalidates their standing as Muslims. As I've said before > "Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim."

    Quote Originally Posted by SFJEFF View Post
    “The Italian state wanted to recognize the religion,” Chalikandi lamented, “but unfortunately, the Muslim organizations and leaders couldn’t get a consensus and they couldn’t sign that accord with the government.”
    NONSENSE! Don't be ridiculous. There are some countries around the world who do wrongly recognize Islam as a religion. They didn't need anybody to sign anything to do that.

    who to believe- Thomas Jefferson- one of the key writers of the Constitution- or you?I will go with Thomas Jefferson.[/QUOTE]

    I will go with ME, and the majority of non-Muslims around the world who know this >>

    It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
    The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
    And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.
    Last edited by protectionist; Jun 18 2013 at 02:40 PM.

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