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BS, the Poles were slathering ethnic Germans in those German areas they annexed after ww1 which forced the Germans to invade. And the Germany army was mobilized on all boarders because the Soviets, British, and French, were making themselves ready to invade Germany.




I studied most of history, from ancient Egypt to the Greek wars against Persia and Troja, to the rise and downfall of the Romans, to the middle ages and the unofficial first world war, the religious wars between Christianity and Islam, between Protestants and Catholics, and two those wars in the recent period.

Neither ww1 nor ww2 were started by Germany, all just lies precisely like Saddam's WMD's! The weaker fraction usually does not press for war!

In your studies did you come across the policy of lebensraum, first detailed in Mein Kampf which stated Germany should take over Eastern lands from the slavic peoples in order gain resources and "living space". Do you accept evidence from a book written by the leader of Germany himself that Germany had expansionist policies from 1926 onwards?
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In your studies did you come across the policy of lebensraum, first detailed in Mein Kampf which stated Germany should take over Eastern lands from the slavic peoples in order gain resources and "living space". Do you accept evidence from a book written by the leader of Germany himself that Germany had expansionist policies from 1926 onwards?
He doesn't because he's a Nazi and refutes all evidence presented that contradicts his claims!!!!!
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I just watched this documentary and I have come to the decision that Neo-Nazi groups in the USA are turning the political philosophy into a religion, with Hitler as God etc etc....

It is scary these die hard extremists in the US and their terrible past and what they espouse. The fools think that strength comes from solidarity instead of diversity. This is stupidity and was proven wrong in the Second World War. The German's used solidarity, that is, only German's to carry out their ambitions and they failed because of a DIVERSE alliance that formed to stop him.

M fundamental problem with any Neo-Nazi's = If the Nazi's were about 'Survival of the Fittest' then surely Democracy proved it can beat it and thus making it a defunct and effectively extinct entity.

Here's the documentary, it's quite long but is definitely very enlightening.....

Nazism in America

Leftism has and will always be a religion. Without regard to the specific flavor; be it fascism, socialism or communism, it begins with the divinization of some element of the culture and the demonization of another.

Nothing new there... this brand is not unique in the slightest, right down to the most critical element required for admission being that one have the intellectual means of a bag of hammers...
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Leftism has and will always be a religion. Without regard to the specific flavor; be it fascism, socialism or communism, it begins with the divinization of some element of the culture and the demonization of another.

Nothing new there... this brand is not unique in the slightest, right down to the most critical element required for admission being that one have the intellectual means of a bag of hammers...
So Nazism, Communism and Liberalism are all cut from the same cloth? LMAO!

I think you mean totalitarianism.
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So Nazism, Communism and Liberalism are all cut from the same cloth? LMAO!

I think you mean totalitarianism.
Yeah that's what I said.. Leftism.

Perhaps you're confusing leftists with liberals... I'm a liberal... meaning an advocate of liberty. Meaning I advocate for the protections of the inalienable rights expressed by the US Declaration of Independence; thus I'm a 'conservative' of those principles...

Now contrast that with those who call themselves "liberals" while they advocate for the confiscation of the product of one man's labor to the benefit of another... In other words they are claiming a right to theft... do you see how these people are advocating tyranny? Thus are not liberals at all; what they are is: LEFTISTS, of the fascist variety; meaning they want to use the product of private industry to subsidize a 'social contract.'

Now ultimately there can be no other potential for such a system, accept totalitarianism... I can see that you feel otherwise and want to assign the temporary state which is realized while industry is private, as being democratic, pluralistic and all that rot... but I see it in its ultimate finality, on the premise that such notions must lead to totalitarianism because the principles of totalitarianism, the seeds of totalitarianism if you will, are sown or established as truth and deemed valid during the early fascist period.

Being parasitic, leftism will eventually kill the host, which in this case is the all supporting private industry... when that happens, or shortly before that happens the state MUST nationalize industry on the premise that the droplets of profit that are bleeding off from the top are what's needed to pay the entitlement tab...

Now the policy advancements which support these entitlement programs do not do so on suggestions to industry, they do so on REGULATIONS AND TAXATION, Which if one is found outside of compliance comes at a VERY HEAVY PENALTY... At some point and we can argue the demarcation all day and accomplish nothing, the state becomes totalitarian... it may still enjoy some facade of representative government... some veil of democratic principle... but it's totalitarian nonetheless.
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Yeah that's what I said.. Leftism.

Perhaps you're confusing leftists with liberals... I'm a liberal... meaning an advocate of liberty. Meaning I advocate for the protections of the inalienable rights expressed by the US Declaration of Independence; thus I'm a 'conservative' of those principles...

Now contrast that with those who call themselves "liberals" while they advocate for the confiscation of the product of one man's labor to the benefit of another... In other words they are claiming a right to theft... do you see how these people are advocating tyranny? Thus are not liberals at all; what they are is: LEFTISTS, of the fascist variety; meaning they want to use the product of private industry to subsidize a 'social contract.'

Now ultimately there can be no other potential for such a system, accept totalitarianism... I can see that you feel otherwise and want to assign the temporary state which is realized while industry is private, as being democratic, pluralistic and all that rot... but I see it in its ultimate finality, on the premise that such notions must lead to totalitarianism because the principles of totalitarianism, the seeds of totalitarianism if you will, are sown or established as truth and deemed valid during the early fascist period.

Being parasitic, leftism will eventually kill the host, which in this case is the all supporting private industry... when that happens, or shortly before that happens the state MUST nationalize industry on the premise that the droplets of profit that are bleeding off from the top are what's needed to pay the entitlement tab...

Now the policy advancements which support these entitlement programs do not do so on suggestions to industry, they do so on REGULATIONS AND TAXATION, Which if one is found outside of compliance comes at a VERY HEAVY PENALTY... At some point and we can argue the demarcation all day and accomplish nothing, the state becomes totalitarian... it may still enjoy some facade of representative government... some veil of democratic principle... but it's totalitarian nonetheless.
An interesting post, from it I presume you pay no taxes as this is theft from you and in return you avail yourself of no public services such as roads, schools, etc. ?
You see it as the confiscation of the product of one man's labor and many would see it as the collection of dues for services rendered. It only becomes totalitarian if the freedom of choice to vote for those who make the decisions on the spending and distribution is taken away or the ability to leave the country is abridged. But while you choose to be a part of society and use those street lights, sewers and police force you should pay.
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The proposition that a few neo-nazi kooks are more than a minor nuisance is absurd. There are probably a million more important problems.
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He doesn't because he's a Nazi and refutes all evidence presented that contradicts his claims!!!!!
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Yeah that's what I said.. Leftism.

Perhaps you're confusing leftists with liberals... I'm a liberal... meaning an advocate of liberty. Meaning I advocate for the protections of the inalienable rights expressed by the US Declaration of Independence; thus I'm a 'conservative' of those principles...

Now contrast that with those who call themselves "liberals" while they advocate for the confiscation of the product of one man's labor to the benefit of another... In other words they are claiming a right to theft... do you see how these people are advocating tyranny? Thus are not liberals at all; what they are is: LEFTISTS, of the fascist variety; meaning they want to use the product of private industry to subsidize a 'social contract.'

Now ultimately there can be no other potential for such a system, accept totalitarianism... I can see that you feel otherwise and want to assign the temporary state which is realized while industry is private, as being democratic, pluralistic and all that rot... but I see it in its ultimate finality, on the premise that such notions must lead to totalitarianism because the principles of totalitarianism, the seeds of totalitarianism if you will, are sown or established as truth and deemed valid during the early fascist period.

Being parasitic, leftism will eventually kill the host, which in this case is the all supporting private industry... when that happens, or shortly before that happens the state MUST nationalize industry on the premise that the droplets of profit that are bleeding off from the top are what's needed to pay the entitlement tab...

Now the policy advancements which support these entitlement programs do not do so on suggestions to industry, they do so on REGULATIONS AND TAXATION, Which if one is found outside of compliance comes at a VERY HEAVY PENALTY... At some point and we can argue the demarcation all day and accomplish nothing, the state becomes totalitarian... it may still enjoy some facade of representative government... some veil of democratic principle... but it's totalitarian nonetheless.
The US is the most capitalist country on the planet, I don't think there'll be any nationalization, even in my lifetime. Leftism is a word you made up and can mean whatever you think it should mean for whatever context you are arguing, so please stop using it .

Your definition of 'Leftism' is Totalitarianism and you somehow think that a bunch of old hippies (the Democrats) are Totalitarian? They're not because there's no one strong enough within their party to unite it and declare a dictatorship (plus the GOP would relish in the chance to overthrow a Democrat dictator, lol).

No, I'm more scared of the 'Aryan Nation' than any other extreme group in America. The 'Aryan Nation' actually call for the extermination of all other races in America (except Whites) and a complete abolition of democracy in favour of a Nazi/Christian/Confederate dictator thing. If that doesn't scare you and you think a bunch of whiny moaning hippies are more of a problem then a bunch of militant far right nutjobs training for a revolution than you need to sort your priorities out m8
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