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  1. Default Creeping Complexity

    Why is it that everything government touches seems to make life more complex for the average Joe and Jane?

    http://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2013/0...inglepage=true

    quote:
    “For the first couple of centuries of the industrial revolution, the goal of modernization was to make life simpler for the common man. The steam engine made transportation simpler, safer and faster than the stagecoach, whether it was a family or a package that was moving cross country. At the dawn of the 20th century, the automobile brought the same revolution for short term distances. It was also more hygienic than the horses it replaced.”

    “…I just hate how slow these gas cans are these days,” he grumbled. “There’s no vent on them.”

    Taxcutter never noticed because Taxcutter has old-style gas cans.

    Quote:
    “Soap doesn’t work. Toilets don’t flush. Clothes washers don’t clean. Light bulbs don’t illuminate. Refrigerators break too soon. Paint discolors. Lawnmowers have to be hacked. It’s all caused by idiotic government regulations that are wrecking our lives one consumer product at a time…”

    Taxcutter says:
    I feel the pain. My clothes washer and dishwasher won’t get the stuff clean without a dash of TSP. I drilled out the jets on my mower carburetor to get it to work right. Toilets (if they are not the $800 Japanese models) require three flushes to get the job done. As a tech-savvy engineer I can work around the sabotage to my life but most people just sit there and suffer.


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    “It took one quick search. The whole trend began in (wait for it) California. Regulations began in 2000, with the idea of preventing spillage. The notion spread and was picked up by the EPA, which is always looking for new and innovative ways to spread as much human misery as possible.
    An ominous regulatory announcement from the EPA came in 2007: “Starting with containers manufactured in 2009… it is expected that the new cans will be built with a simple and inexpensive permeation barrier and new spouts that close automatically.”
    The government never said “no vents.” It abolished them de facto with new standards that every state had to adopt by 2009. So for the last three years, you have not been able to buy gas cans that work properly. They are not permitted to have a separate vent. The top has to close automatically. There are other silly things now, too, but the biggest problem is that they do not do well what cans are supposed to do.”

    Taxcutter says:
    Of course the EPA is the villain.


    Quote:
    “Instead of making labor-saving devices, they’re making labor-sucking devices.”

    “Quite simply, the next time your elected local or state official holds a press conference about global warming, the Middle East, or the national political climate, expect to experience poor county law enforcement, bad municipal services, or regional insolvency.”

    Taxcutter says:
    As America’s greatest engineer said: “Keep it simple, stupid.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
    Why is it that everything government touches seems to make life more complex for the average Joe and Jane?

    http://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2013/0...inglepage=true

    quote:
    “For the first couple of centuries of the industrial revolution, the goal of modernization was to make life simpler for the common man. The steam engine made transportation simpler, safer and faster than the stagecoach, whether it was a family or a package that was moving cross country. At the dawn of the 20th century, the automobile brought the same revolution for short term distances. It was also more hygienic than the horses it replaced.”

    “…I just hate how slow these gas cans are these days,” he grumbled. “There’s no vent on them.”

    Taxcutter never noticed because Taxcutter has old-style gas cans.

    Quote:
    “Soap doesn’t work. Toilets don’t flush. Clothes washers don’t clean. Light bulbs don’t illuminate. Refrigerators break too soon. Paint discolors. Lawnmowers have to be hacked. It’s all caused by idiotic government regulations that are wrecking our lives one consumer product at a time…”

    Taxcutter says:
    I feel the pain. My clothes washer and dishwasher won’t get the stuff clean without a dash of TSP. I drilled out the jets on my mower carburetor to get it to work right. Toilets (if they are not the $800 Japanese models) require three flushes to get the job done. As a tech-savvy engineer I can work around the sabotage to my life but most people just sit there and suffer.


    Quote:
    “It took one quick search. The whole trend began in (wait for it) California. Regulations began in 2000, with the idea of preventing spillage. The notion spread and was picked up by the EPA, which is always looking for new and innovative ways to spread as much human misery as possible.
    An ominous regulatory announcement from the EPA came in 2007: “Starting with containers manufactured in 2009… it is expected that the new cans will be built with a simple and inexpensive permeation barrier and new spouts that close automatically.”
    The government never said “no vents.” It abolished them de facto with new standards that every state had to adopt by 2009. So for the last three years, you have not been able to buy gas cans that work properly. They are not permitted to have a separate vent. The top has to close automatically. There are other silly things now, too, but the biggest problem is that they do not do well what cans are supposed to do.”

    Taxcutter says:
    Of course the EPA is the villain.


    Quote:
    “Instead of making labor-saving devices, they’re making labor-sucking devices.”

    “Quite simply, the next time your elected local or state official holds a press conference about global warming, the Middle East, or the national political climate, expect to experience poor county law enforcement, bad municipal services, or regional insolvency.”

    Taxcutter says:
    As America’s greatest engineer said: “Keep it simple, stupid.”
    Hmmm second thread posted to day by you on the same exact topic.

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    I don't see any duplicate of this.

    Governmental corrosion of our lives is an important topic. Why are you afraid to discuss it?
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    Why does government hate the people so much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
    I don't see any duplicate of this.

    Governmental corrosion of our lives is an important topic. Why are you afraid to discuss it?
    As an asthmatic I am glad that the government has made it harder for others to pollute the air I breathe. I am also glad that the water I drink has to meet standards. I am glad that the government shut down a business in my town that dumped toxic waste illegally causing an increase level of cancer and lowering homeowners property values. I am glad the medicine I take has been shown to be effective and safe. I am glad that the doctors and lawyers I may hire have to meet certain standards. When riding in a car down the inner state at 70mph I am glad the car I am in meets certain minimum safety standards...does this make me anti business?

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    "...I am glad that the government has made it harder for others to pollute the air I breathe."

    Taxcutter asks:
    Are you glad that those same regualtions made everything more expensive and and drove jobs offshore?


    "I am also glad that the water I drink has to meet standards."

    Taxcutter says:
    Drinking water standards were in place long before government regulations came along. Water standards in the US came along because the steam locomotive required much cleaner water than humans. Railroads, as an operating necessity, imposed water standards



    "I am glad that the government shut down a business in my town..."

    Taxcutter asks:
    Are you glad the workers there are now on welfare? Are you glad the tax base in your town was eroded? Do you like payuing higher taxes and/or have less services? Do you pay taxes? might be a better question.


    "... increase level of cancer..."

    Taxcutter says:
    Says who? The government? Do you believe the government?


    "When riding in a car down the inner state at 70mph I am glad the car I am in meets certain minimum safety standards..."

    Taxcutter says:
    Are you glad it costs twice what it ought to and gets much less fuel mileage (due to the increased weight)?



    "...does this make me anti business?"

    Taxcutter says:
    It might make you anti-consumer or anti-taxpayer, and definitely a villain to the American worker.

    Tell the forum, how do your responses in any way refute the assertions that regulations make life more difficult that it should be.

    Do unvented gas cans improve people's lives?
    Do ineffective detergents improve people's lives?
    Do multi-flush (or incredibly expensive) toilets improve people's lives?
    Does unemployment improve people's lives?

    All of your "benefits" come at a price. There is no free lunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
    "...I am glad that the government has made it harder for others to pollute the air I breathe."

    Taxcutter asks:
    Are you glad that those same regualtions made everything more expensive and and drove jobs offshore?

    SB I disagree with your premise but even if it were true God has granted certain inalienable rights and if there is an added expense the rights trump the money
    Are you in favor of businesses making profits that endanger the health of citizens. Why should business have the right to to make me ill....a point you may find encouraging as the air quality worsens the pharmaceutical industry sells more medication to people like me.


    "I am also glad that the water I drink has to meet standards."

    Taxcutter says:
    Drinking water standards were in place long before government regulations came along. Water standards in the US came along because the steam locomotive required much cleaner water than humans. Railroads, as an operating necessity, imposed water standards

    SB not health standards for drinking water quality and sewerage treatment that is more recent



    "I am glad that the government shut down a business in my town..."

    Taxcutter asks:
    Are you glad the workers there are now on welfare? Are you glad the tax base in your town was eroded? Do you like payuing higher taxes and/or have less services? Do you pay taxes? might be a better question.
    SB The 16 workers have moved on, the tax base in my town has expanded with three new industries and several thousand new tech jobs in the last three years. Taxes in my city and in my county did not go up, unemployment last year was 2.6% lower than the national average. I have paid federal state and local taxes every year since Kennedy was President. How bout you?

    "... increase level of cancer..."

    Taxcutter says:
    Says who? The government? Do you believe the government?

    SB The two local hospitals, the inhabitants of the neighborhood, the left leaning media, the state department of health and the federal government who is paying to clean up the site.
    all agree on this point

    "When riding in a car down the inner state at 70mph I am glad the car I am in meets certain minimum safety standards..."

    Taxcutter says:
    Are you glad it costs twice what it ought to and gets much less fuel mileage (due to the increased weight)?

    SB Am I glad it costs more? of course not but I am not glad milk costs more than it once did either. Fuel mileage in autos has increased significantly not lessened.

    "...does this make me anti business?"

    Taxcutter says:
    It might make you anti-consumer or anti-taxpayer, and definitely a villain to the American worker.

    SB The local government, state and federal government are taking more tax money to clean up the site than the company and its workers ever paid in taxes. Is that anti taxpayer? Don't you imagine the hundreds of people who live in this middle class neighborhood and can't sell their homes, or have increased health risks may have been workers, consumers and taxpayers; perhaps even business owners.

    It is sad to see someone who expects to see fellow Americans suffer from health issues, decreased property values and even increased chance of cancer to save a bit of money.

    Tell the forum, how do your responses in any way refute the assertions that regulations make life more difficult that it should be.

    Do unvented gas cans improve people's lives?
    Do ineffective detergents improve people's lives?
    Do multi-flush (or incredibly expensive) toilets improve people's lives?
    Does unemployment improve people's lives?

    All of your "benefits" come at a price. There is no free lunch.
    SB evedently you don't care about the cost of anyone's lunch but your own
    Last edited by Sirius Black; Jun 20 2013 at 06:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
    Why is it that everything government touches seems to make life more complex for the average Joe and Jane?
    Because complications tend to irritate people; and irritable people - who generally take their frustrations out on those they associate with rather than the real culprits - can be controlled.
    If you want government to have nothing to do with marriage, and you're not a drug-addled escapee from a psych ward, kindly click here.


    "When I am weaker than you, I ask you for my freedom because that is according to your principles. When I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles."

    ~ Frank Herbert

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    We do not need the EPA declaring your clogged drainage ditch a wet land and by refusing to let yuu fix the issue creating a breeding groud for misquitoes.

    We don't need endless rules and regulatons that don't make anything or anyone safer.

    In short, we do not need the federal govarnment trying to idiot proof our lives while using the civil court system as an enforcement mechanism.
    When a leftist starts telling you how complicated something is you can bet that what he means is don't check his math.

    Only in America can one be called pro choice and still think people should have access to only one type of light bulb, power plant, limited choices for cars, and voice only one kind of political speech.

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    "SB evedently you don't care about the cost of anyone's lunch but your own"

    Taxcutter says:
    Odd. I thought exactly the same of you.
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