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Old 04-17-2008, 02:35 AM
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I thought marijuana wasn't addicting? http://www.drugabusestatistics.samhs...wUseDepend.cfm
You mean the same organisation that established there was a high number of marijuana “addicts” dependant on the drug within the United States in its report about Lithium being useful in helping marijuana “addicts” remove their dependency on the drug?

Which within that same report and its startling success at helping marijuana “addicts” kick the habit quietly omitted that the “addicts” used in the program were awaiting trial, convicted, on parole, on probation or in jail for marijuana related criminal activities and were coerced through legal action to enter under the guise of “rehabilitation”.

And yet were supposed to take it as a good source because it now mentions 12 year olds as marijuana “addicts”?

Furthermore, the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria also establishes that alcohol is an addictive substance. What the criteria seems to ignore is that regardless of whether someone can become addicted to alcoholic through genetic, womb or psychological predisposition, it has no bearing on the standards that it must meet to be considered physically addictive. And as any research will tell you, marijuana is not physically addictive.

That some individuals have a predisposition to marijuana addiction does not invalidate the point that marijuana is not addictive to the general (the average in which a drug would be considered safe for populous) population.

Otherwise, as DSM-IV also establishes and many have tried to place into law...gambling, gaming and even phone usage is considered addictive by the same criteria.

Which is why the criteria and DSM has come under criticism for many years. As it was when it considered homosexuality a mental disorder.
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I disagree, I don't see anything whatsoever immoral about it.
How is taking away my right to do what I want with my body not immoral? And also, government funded studies mean nothing, they say what their funders want them to say. Find a completely unbias study and check the resluts, not addicting.
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You're right, I should be allowed to rape 8 year old girls without having to worry about being arrested.

Thanks for the encouragement.

[of course, that is not my thing, I like 'em in the mid 40's....Meowwwww!]
That is the most irrelevant comment I have ever heard, If pot made me rape little girls then you might have a point, but you dont.
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You aren't allowing people to be free in a proclaimed free society.
There are a lot of things you can't do and claim freedom. You can't steal, you can't kill, you can't drive drunk, you can't crank call 911, and you can't use drugs are some examples.
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There are a lot of things you can't do and claim freedom. You can't steal, you can't kill, you can't drive drunk, you can't crank call 911, and you can't use drugs are some examples.
Of course you can't steal or kill or drive drunk. It infringes on somebody's rights. The second you do that, you should be reprimanded. But doing drugs doesn't.
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There are a lot of things you can't do and claim freedom. You can't steal, you can't kill, you can't drive drunk, you can't crank call 911, and you can't use drugs are some examples.
when I am not hurting anyone, then it is an infringement of my rights. I dont make it illegal for you to do anything that only affects you for no reason. How would you like it if it were illegal for you to watch tv, for absolutly no reason.
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Interviews with junkies who say they smoked pot at age 12? Come on rebellion even you can't that gullible?

Scientific means in a lab, with charts, actual tests accomplished in view of the lab technicians, so there can be some actual, you know, "data".
Hate to disappoint you but scientific studies do not always involve charts and data. In fact studies by the FDA often involve interviews with test subjects who answer questions about results just like they did with MJ users. And yes, those who said they were addicted to MJ are far more qualified to say they were addicted than you are to tell them they were not. Gullibility is saying you know more about their addiction than they do.

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Funny how "you" are willing to take the governments word for something (one so-called study) when it fits your opinion, and neglect to acknowledge the over 70 years of actual data that says otherwise??
Funny how you are willing not to take it simply because it contradicts a policy you support. There are plenty of studies I can provide that link MJ use to future harder drug use as well. But you won't like those for the same reason.

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The government also says there is absolutely no medicinal value for cannabis, yet they have an active medical program using cannabis as a medicinal aid?
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Of course you can't steal or kill or drive drunk. It infringes on somebody's rights. The second you do that, you should be reprimanded. But doing drugs doesn't.
Using drugs affect people the same way that driving drunk does. Driving drunk doesn't guarantee you'll kill someone but it sure increases the risk factors. Using drugs doesn't guarantee you'll throw your kid in a microwave, leave them home all day without food, beat them, or rob a bank to support your drug habit. But it sure increases the risk factors. Just like driving drunk does.
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Hate to disappoint you but scientific studies do not always involve charts and data. In fact studies by the FDA often involve interviews with test subjects who answer questions about results just like they did with MJ users. And yes, those who said they were addicted to MJ are far more qualified to say they were addicted than you are to tell them they were not. Gullibility is saying you know more about their addiction than they do.



Funny how you are willing not to take it simply because it contradicts a policy you support. There are plenty of studies I can provide that link MJ use to future harder drug use as well. But you won't like those for the same reason.



Relevance? None.
How about instead of using you "scientific studies", if you can call them that, you use some comon sense. Pot does not force you to do other drugs, that is a persnal choice. You just need something to blame when the only person whos fault it is is the user. Pot is nothing that should be illegal, it is legal in places and it isnt a problem. The gateway drug theory is irrelevant, it doesn't make you do anything.
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when I am not hurting anyone, then it is an infringement of my rights. I dont make it illegal for you to do anything that only affects you for no reason. How would you like it if it were illegal for you to watch tv, for absolutly no reason.
Your comparison isn't valid. Me watching tv won't possibly result in me robbing a bank to support my tv habit like drugs.
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Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
Increased Refinery Capacity R's: 97% YES. D's: 96% NO

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