'Marxist Islam' wtf?!? You do know right that Marxism rejects religion, yes?

Why even vote when you have god's law and rights? jsut enforce that.

I've hardly heard a "leftist" argument that says we should kill those who oppose us. If anything, that's the policy of the conservatives.

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It's the presumption on which human rights are founded. Absent that assumption, there is no such thing as inalienable human rights and in fact, might does indeed make right...

It's not a complicated issue friend.

Either you were created, thus endowed by divine right or you were not. If not then you've no right, except whatever power standing at the moment says you have... Rights which are subject to change without notice and with you having no say in the matter, what so ever; beyond an impotent ceremonious vote which in reality is limited by the virtue of that government, which given your advocacy of atheism, which stands on nothing if it does not stand upon relativism; should you get your way, you will inevitably find yourself governed by a power absent any form of virtue and your vote being without value, again, assuming you maintain the option.


This in sharp contrast to myself, who, to a certainty set upon nothing less than the certainty of my own existence, enjoys inalienable rights; rights endowed by the final authority, which trumps any and all human feelings on the subject... Rights which I am duty bound and perfectly prepared to defend at all cost; rights which remain intact until such time that this life expires...

Atheism, such as you promote, serves only to undermine the certainty of those rights in the minds of those which possess them, this for no other purpose and for no other functional service than that which will inevitably result in those people being irreversibly subject to tyranny.

All just and moral laws are God's law sport. It's only where the law leaves moral principle that it fails to serve justice, thus fails to serve God; thus serving evil... Roe is a classic example, where valid moral justification for taking the life of another human being is set aside as well as responsibility for one's rights. Roe is set upon spurious reason, is wholly unjust and serves only evil... But on the whole you're clearly confusing religious doctrine with religious principle... part and parcel of being 'educated' by radical leftist indoctrination centers. It's very common these days.

[quute]I've hardly heard a "leftist" argument that says we should kill those who oppose us. If anything, that's the policy of the conservatives.[/quote]

OUCH!

Yet another sign of you being heavily indoctrinated and wholly ignorant.

To have truly never heard of such, you've have to have never heard of the French Revolution, Vladimir Lennon, Benito Mousolinni, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Kin Jung Il, Fidel Castro, Che Geuverra, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussien, Yassir Arafat, Any NUMBER of African Socialists butchers of the late 20th century... and on and on.

The ideological left is the most lethal ideology in human histroy sport, with NO CLOSE SECOND! You're confused by leftist propaganda and seem wholly ignorant of leftist history.

Hey, I'm with you sport... but you'll need to explain that to the Muslim Botherhood... the founders of modern Islamic terrorism, who thought of themselves as loyal Marxists... with the usual fascist tendencies.

Marxism doesn't really reject religion per se, it rejects the deity... Marxism IS a religion unto itself with as many different slants and rationalizations as there are people who've tried it.

Islamic Terrorism is in fact and incontestably so, totalitarian leftist... each preaching the tired and long discredited fight of the proletariat against the exploitive forces of the bourgeoisie, played in this case by the Great Satan (ironically labeled such as a result of degenerative effect of the radical left in the US), her interests and allies which make up the whole of the western world...

That is a flawed logic because you assume then that somebody has to grant me my rights. Another human being can't possibly grant somebody natural rights. It doesn't make sense. It's like the argument (sort of), can you be moral without God? Uh yea. You definitely can be. I don't subscribe to religion at all. I don't pray to God. I don't necessarily believe in God. But I have strong moral convictions. Just like, if there is no God, doesn't negate my natural rights.

This whole thing rests on a disagreement on the definition of a right. If you want to cling on to the definition that they come from creation and nothing else, that's fine, but that's only your definition. I will simply claim that these are not rights you are describing. These are privileges from god. Perhaps we should appropriately rename the thread “In the Absence of God: God Given Human privileges is a concept without meaning”.
kind of like rights from god. If rights come from god they are subject to change without notice, without me having any say in the matter.

Again, sorta like gods rights. no voting. Why even vote when you're are under god's law? And I don't advocate atheism. I'm personally agnostic. And again, you're presenting a circular argument. You claim I will find myself governed by a government absent of any form of virtue, and surely you define virtue as being in terms of god's laws. So your argument is I will be under a government that does not acknowledge god's laws, therefore I will be under a government that does not acknowledge god's laws.
God can take your rights away whenever he wants, they are not inalienable. In addition, you have no idea what these inalienable rights are, at least not any more so then anyone else with an opinion on what the good book says. For all you know, god doesnt like you, has removed all of your rights, and has given the rest of us the right to kill you. Or when's the last time he told you otherwise?
Certainty? Or blind and resolute ignorance? By your display, it seems like the ultimate tyrant is god himself. Why don't you look up the definition of a tyrant just to be sure.

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It's not so much flawed logic as it is a difference in the definition of rights. He claims, by definition, that rights come from the creator. Therefore anything you say that is otherwise is wrong if you accept this definition. Reject his definition, and you will reject his argument. I conclude by my definition of a human right that is it universal, and not bound to the whims of any government, person or god. Thus, either they always exist, or they don’t exist at all even with god. the most god can do is grant a privilege at his whim.

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And they are only just and moral because god says so I presume, hmm? And you miss my point. I'm saying since you seem to have such a grasp of what these godly laws are, why don't you just write up a draft for us and replace the constitution with it. No need to vote, since these are god's laws.
OUCH!

Yet another sign of you being heavily indoctrinated and wholly ignorant.

To have truly never heard of such, you've have to have never heard of the French Revolution, Vladimir Lennon, Benito Mousolinni, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Kin Jung Il, Fidel Castro, Che Geuverra, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussien, Yassir Arafat, Any NUMBER of African Socialists butchers of the late 20th century... and on and on.
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Obviously there are key differences in what these people might call "left" and what most non-insain people would. To my understanding, whatever a leftist is, a leftist believes in tolerance for others. And not just tolerance, love and support for the others. So if this is not the definition of a leftist, then I am not a leftist. It hardly makes sence to throw everything into a simgle spectrum of radical, and therefore evil, and conservative, and therefore good.

What exactly is a conservative to you?
Again, this only comes because you are loosly defining "leftist" as anything that is radical.

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And they say leftist are intellectually limited...

ROFL... Where in the world has THAT impresson come from?