I don't consider rights to be something that can be dictated. Rights are something that either exist or they don't exist regardless of the dictates of any power. And again, if god dictates rights, he dictates them subject to the reason he follows, so rights are therefore a product of reason, not god.
True, to a degree. The idea is at God's level, he practices reason perfectly, so there is no reason for him to change as a new idea comes about.... there are no new ideas for god.

However, for us poor humans, we don't have that luxury. Unless god himself tells us his opinion on every case of rights and moral judgment, those who believe that rights are dictated by God should adhere to the idea that previous understandings might be flawed and that the progression towards god's perfect moral reason is still a task long ahead of us. I believe it's irrational to think we have it all figured out and that religions should never change their understandings. Certainly most religions have changed leading positions over time.
I don't know what you mean by this last statement.

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Human Rights is not a concept without meaning either with God or without.

I am a Christian to my bootstraps, however I understand that there is EFFICIENCY in treating workers and citizens with respect and helping them to reach upwards.

Even if it is illusory, people are motivated by the thought that they can improve the conditions under which they live.

Often the rich and elite seek to suppress the poor under their boots and for a time this can be productive, but if it is prolonged either through generations or through too much time, it is the responsibility of the poor to overthrow the rich and elite.

Noblesse Oblige is a Latin concept that means the rich and privileged needs-MUST do what they can to help poor to have upward mobility, to improve their lives.

After France however, it became a warning to the rich and noble, for in France the rich and noble were beheaded for their Lack of noblesse oblige.

And so it may one day once again come if the populous becomes aware of the peoples who are acting behind the scenes.

Ah, but god invented the biological evolution of emotions and morality... sigh.

Anyway, in a more serious note, I don't think you can say anything, including god, "Invented" anything that is purely logical. At best, they figure it out. All be it conceptual in nature, "logical" things are simply true. This is evident by the fact that I can demonstrate that god is bound by logic. Classic examples:

God can not create a rock he can not lift
God can not create a round square

Even for an all-powerful god, the ability to do these things is logically imposable. Therefore I conclude that god is bound by logic, not the "Inventor" of it. Reason is logical, therefore god can not invent it, only implement it.

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I thought you were serious in your argumentation. A fetus is no more a potential life than a sperm and egg is, untill it reaches viability.

Please, get serious.

ROFLMNAO...

Ahh... so you felt this a strong point? I forgave it as an egregious error and set it aside. But I’ll happily address it, since you’ve taken this unfortunate stand upon it.

Where you're failing is that you're assuming that all reasoning is equal. It's the critical flaw in all leftist reasoning. Rest assured all reasoning is not equal, God's reasoning is perfection and rests in finality, you're reason is spurious and rests not... ever.

But such is the case with ALL left-think, without exception; every scintilla of left-think is banal inanity stacked on top of spurious structural design.

There is nothing new in this universe sport; but despite this truth, every generation of leftist comes along thinking they've stumbled upon enlightenment... then they concoct some specious rationalization to explain why the relevant taboo is wrong and how it somehow represents some evil as it prevents some form of expression... it's idiocy.


God's law is it... everything else is meaningless, as there will be no final judgment of any earthly statute... only those wherein you overtly stood against God; having violated his law, as expressed by the reasoning inherent in natural law… Meaning you used your gift to strip another of theirs.


God's law is not debatable and not so ONLY on his authority as being all powerful; but because it serves reason perfectly; it is impossible to refute it, to rationalize around it or to explain why it shouldn't be followed... because no matter what tact is taken to get around it, inevitably, those who violate it are convicted on the weight of the bed rock reasoning on which it rest, always returning to the law inherent to it.


In essence your claim is that, because you have the means to reason, you're just as qualified to reason your rights as God is... setting aside whether or not that is true, the fact is, that the reasoning already exist; it’s been done and it’s not debatable; you needing to believe that you came up with it on your own is wholly irrelevant; in that God's authority is infinite...


You mistakenly feel that because you've been given the gift of liberty, to make your own choices, that you'll escape final judgment... in reality God is the final authority and you've no means to contest it. You may stand defiant, rationalizing some inane notion that you've some means to do so; but this is a delusion that is analogous on a miniscule scale, to those people who remain in the path of a hurricane... wholly ignorant of the power to which they'll be subjected.

What you do by rejecting God's reasoning is equate that perfect reasoning with that which is imperfect; this friend is ridiculous, despite all your protestations to the contrary.

ROFLMNAO... SWEET Rationalization.

A Fetus is human life... It is alive... It is vested with the same rights and has precisely the same viability as you; even as you existat this tage in your developement.

Given the same circumstances... you have no more potential vability than does a human zygote of 2 days development. Take you out of the environment necessary to sustain your life and you're own life expires insid a very few minutes at the best case scenario.

So... given that indisputable fact, it's hysterical (in at least two contexts and on several levels) that you'd be anxious to rationalize away the rights of another human being... but that's a leftist for ya, in all seriousness.

Publius Infinitum, your mistake is in believing that you YOURSELF know the mind of God and what he thinks about such issues, which in itself is an impossibly grandiose claim to make, yet you continue to make it. It is almost overwhelming that you can see religion is a man-made construct because anyone who reads the Bible can see right through it. Christianity is so fabricated and so stupid that even children can see right through it, as you can see by their questions.

The dangerous conclusion religious people make is that THEY know the mind of God about these issues and then because religion is man-made they impose their personal political beliefs under the veil of religion.

Don't get me wrong, I don't care about people having their own private beliefs, but innate in all religion is the idea that one MUST spread their belief and force it on others through laws, religion is inherently totalitarian because it posits an eternal celestial dictatorship which no one can avoid.

You are a religious hucksterist of the most cheapest, vulgarest, nastiest kind. I think 'come on baby just lie a little' would be more appropriate to describe your position.

Here's a question for you, if God really is the great all-knowing, all-fatherly, all-understanding figure you make him out to be, then why doesn't this God have enough room in his obviously capacious heart for someone who really honestly couldn't bring themselves to believe?

This is opposed to someone who would have spend half their lives on their knees, fawning professions of faith because Pascal told them it was a good bet. Which of us is the more moral? Which of us is the more honest? Which of us is the more courageous?

No, don't come at me with that crap, and don't call it faith, or prepare to have faith despised.

That is the most banal line of nonsense I've ever read. It is bereft of reason... The rich and powerful are no more or less responsible for you than you are for them.

To rationalize the murders of the terrors is anathema to humanity... those people were no beheaded because they lacked noblise oblige, they were murdered because the people who had found power were devoid of principle... AKA: Leftists; much like yourself. And they’re a fine example of why such should NEVER be granted power OF ANY KIND.

The only valid moral justification for taking of another human life is where that life is stripping another of their right to life or has forfeited their own right by having already stripped another of their on right to life.

Very few executions resultant from the Terrors, enjoyed such justifications. The vast majority were set on revenge, the rationalizations rooted in purging the culture of the Bourgeoisie.


Your position is one void of valid principle...

Really? So the mind of God cannot be known? Fascinating...


Ahhh... I get it, you're an atheists... who is demanding on the weight of unstated evidence that God does not exist... thus you're position is one founded on faith and the authority of your empirical observations and the subjective inferences you draw from them...

The sad thing here is your argument is moot, in that I reject your position out of hand as the meaningless pabulum of evil. Now I base that on the catastrophe which follows every culture in which your ideology is sown.

Oh I hear you... Such as the dangerous thinking on which the United States, the most free and prosperous nation in the history of the species, which has consistently sacrificed its people and treasure to help the poor, infirmed and to free the oppressed throughout its history.

I keep seeing your assertions evil one, but (and this is nearly ALWAYS the case with you people) I don't see in supporting argument...

What principles do you espouse and why? Do you feel you have rights which extend beyond the scope of the tolerance of a popular majority? If not why not? If so, on what authority would you defend those rights if you found those rights suppressed?


So you're fine with my religion as long as I keep it to myself? Well that's mighty white of ya.

But here's the thing... My religion doesn't suppress your rights on any level. It does however hold you accountable for your actions, which will preclude the porn, whoring and overall debauchery you may mistakenly feel is your right... but as to actual, valid human rights... my religion defends your rights and without it, whether you want to admit it or not, the mere CONCEPT of human rights would soon evaporate from human consciousness.

I tell you what I'll do, and here are the terms:

You respond with an example of a statement advanced by me as truth, but which you can show I know to be false and I'll donate $100 to this site in your name... Hells bells, if you can even post position advanced by me, against which you can mount a valid argument, I’ll donate $50, assuming you’re prepared to cough up $50 to donate when you fail.

By RESPONDING to this challenge YOU accept the wager and agree that upon your certain failure to post such an example YOU WILL DONATE $100 to this site in MY NAME...

Refusing to accept the wager is a default concession that your position itself is a lie of the dayumnable variety and you, thus are a LIAR.

Failure to respond is also a default concession...

Because he's not a fool, he doesn't buy insipid rationalizations, and this because he knows your heart, thus knows you're just a common garden variety sinner, that refused to accept his grace... at which time he'll toss your sorry @$$ in the lake of fire for an eternity of unspeakable agony and torment...

Again, God knows your heart and knows you already know the answer... and that you just don't want to face yourself in that answer.

[/quote]No, don't come at me with that crap, and don't call it faith, or prepare to have faith despised.[/quote]

See? You don't want to face the answers... It's quite common really... The entirety of the ideological left is founded directly upon this delusion.

But, hey, that's evil for ya...

I suppose it could be known.
Of course you'd have to:
a. live in a universe in which there is unquestionably be a God.
b. be that God.

I guess you could get some glimpse into the psyche if you were God's psychiatrist.
But frankly the people who seem most intent on speaking for God and knowing his mind... Well, I really don't think they are in any better position than I am to know anything about the psyche of this alleged God nor whether he exists.

As for human rights, since like most of the traits alleged to God, we MADE THEM UP... as humans we really do have the best understanding of the subject. If God does exist, perhaps he has some ideas on how they might be better... but he doesn't deal with them everyday and he's been less than enthusiastic about pointing out his take.

As for us humans, it's a work in process... just like the next evolution in stories and philosophical meanderings to keep the belief in God from becoming the stuff of history textbooks.

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