That's funny, in at least two contexts and on several levels.

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I think this case scenario could've been done better.


For example, I would've said that those who do not believe in God or not persons. That it takes a sentinent being to understand and worship God, and therefor athiests are no more human then an animal. Animals have no rights, and can be put down whenever we decree so.



Ironically, the secular movement cannot object to this. As it's really no different then what we have now with abortion. That because a human being is considerd un-setinent, it's denied it's most basic rights such as the right to life.


Everybody's a nihilist untill the gun's pointed at their head...

ROFLMNAO.... Badgers. God love 'em.

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First off let me say to everyone it's pointless to argue with Publius Infinitum. His mind is set in stone and there is no amount of debate that will ignite any critical thinking in his world. The purpose of this discussion board is to rationally listen to the opposition and then debate, but for some individuals that is impossible.

Now back to a rational debate…

Koga, you have a good point in reference to abortion and sentient thought. However, how do we exactly know that animals don’t have a belief in a higher power? Humans throughout their evolution from Neanderthals to Cro-Magnons to Homo sapiens have developed some sort of belief in mysticism or a higher power. At what point in our development would you say we were not sentient?

Many animals are capable of complex thought, tool use, decision making, and even communicating in human languages. Who’s to say they have not developed a rudimentary belief system? Why couldn’t animals in captivity look upon their human caregivers as god-like figures?

It is also incorrect that animals do not have rights. They absolutely do. We have laws protecting them from abuse and extinction, regulations for their food, housing, and general welfare. We have entire government departments that protect the rights of animals across the world. They do have rights and every year those rights expand and become stronger as we humans continue to develop empathy and understand their equality and value.

Your argument against abortion holds weight and leads to another debate about when a fetus becomes sentient. However your claim that animals and atheists are somehow non-sentient because they don’t believe in a higher power falls short.

Once again, (this happens alot) I give an example, and people take it literally.

Obviously I don't think athiests are animals. It was a rhetorical remark.

I am of the left and I would respond as thus:

According to our contstitution an atheist's belief or lack thereof is protected. Any government that would sanction execution of someone's beliefs or lack of has revoked its right to represent the people who are soverign.

Whatever makes you happy to believe since you seem happy believing in whatever you want. Have a good one PI.

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in modern times? not treating the unborn as the born is nothing new. giving rights to the unborn is the novelty. you fail. again. as usual.

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God does not play the role of "might makes right." God is mighty and he also is right, but the fact that he is mighty is not the reason he is right. You, not being free from the intelectual imprisonment of religion, should know that being powerful does not make you right. And it does not matter if the powerful think that the "God thing is bunk." The point is that the powerful will change human rights to be what they want because they can. They will have nothing above them to guide their opinions and beliefs.

Prove it? Ok, abortion. Because of the disgusting cultural revolution of the 60's abortion became legal, where it was not even close to being so before.
Prove it has ever been wrong? Ok, conservatives like me, who refuse to go with the rising cultural norm of accepting horrible things like abortion, or porn.
And wrong. Humans are not moral "most of the time," some are and some aren't. Hundreds of thousands of people are dead in Darfur for no reason, pornography is a huge industry, women and children are sold into slavery every day, etc. etc. etc.

"God for all practical purposes... unless he shows up... becomes whatever the elites that interpret him want him to be. God is simply a proxy for those in power at any given time or place." This illustrates the exact point i am trying to make! Those in power who interpret God the way they want him to be are those who do not fallow his word. "All God does is control. But order is not always morality... and sure as hell isn't "human rights", at least not in any consistent way." First of all God does not control. If God did control, then we would be doing exactly what he wanted all the time. God guides us with his word, and gives us free will to choose whether or not we will fallow it. And i didnt say that God is human rights, i said that he would guide how human rights are made, just as he can not control us he can not control human rights. "The bible is a human construction. The people who interpret it are human. The enforcers are human. All the same problems that exist with government, business, and anything else in human life exist with God." The bible is not human construction, it is God's words. Also the problems that exist with government, business, etc. are not the same as with God. God does not have these problems, we have the problems because of our refusal to fallow what God tells us.

"God has nothing to do with human morality. Faith does not equal morality. It does not equal rights. The concept that it is somehow prerequisite does nothing more than divide people and create more chaos..." Of course he has to do with human morality! The faith one is supposed to have in God is supposed to enable them to practice the moral principles he teaches. And it is not a prerequisite to being moral, it is, again, a guide to being moral.

ROFLMNAO... Thus the whole of the ideological left in one paragraph friends... This is the reason it fails everywhere it's tried.

Here we see the leftist proclaiming that power, unto itself; secular power is the only potetial final end... thus why they should NEVER be lent credence of any kind and why all means need to be taken to prevet them from realizing power.

There is no valid morality absent religion... Again friends, when this member advances morality as a concept, she desperately needs to evoke that morality can be had outside of faith in the Lord. It cannot... morality is synonymous with God.

No problem... how far back would you like to go? The French Revolution and the Terrors, The Russian Revolution and the murderous trek of the Bolshevik Purge, The Nazis and the holocaust... Mao and Stalin's respective purges, Pol Pot's killing fields, Castro's purge, North Korea's invasion of the south and the mass murder of tens of thousands of innocents as they came and the purges that followed which resulted in the murder of another million... any number of African Socialist 'experiments' which resulted and are STILL resulting in the murder of MILLIONS of innocent people... Such is the inevitable norm in cultures which lend credence to leftists; where the ideological left finds sufficient power to advance it, they will… They must; as to not do so… can only result in their destruction.



More common? ROFL... get serious. Murder and robbery are more common that sun rise and sun set... how much more common do you need it?

ROFL... This is cute... the left sees adultery as a right and advocates for it, along with every other form of devient behavior and YOU are NO EXCEPTION.

Any mention of civil measures to deter such would have you wringing your hands, wherein you'd claim such efforts to be violation of some unspoken right...

I absolutely ADORE watching the disingenuous left try to advance these hollow implications.

ROFL... This is delusion beyond measure. Humans are inherently evil... absent God and the final accountability certain, humanity would be precisely hat humanity is charging towards, as YOU and your evil ideology do everything within your means to rinse God from the culture... debaucherous, hedonistic and evil across the board.


ROFL... Only a leftists would advance rationalizing as a valid species of thought.

Absent rationalization, there would be no ideological left.



Here we see again, the whole of the ideological left expressed in one place. They see God as a means to control the masses; which is what they're desperate to emulate through their mythological ideology.

The simple fact is that God created the universe and life itself is a result of his will... Given that as fact; life which results from that will rests upon his authority and each is entitled to its own pursuit of fulfillment... to the extent that they do not exercise their right to the detriment of the rights and life of another. Based upon that authority is the the sacred DUTY of each life to defend that life and the rights inherent to it, from usurpation by those that would violate it... which are inevitably, those of the same ideological stripe as this braying @$$; AKA: Advocate of CHANGE!