Here are the nature of my beliefs. I have about 6000 years of recorded human history to base them on.


There is NO such thing as Human Rights.

It is a human construct.

It is will only be considered a "good" concept as long as it is useful to human society.

1) People with guns/armies decide what human rights are or are not.
2) The bible is full of "human rights" that we would find disgusting today.
3) There is no empirical evidence to prove God exists or doesnt exist.
4) You make up dumb scenarios. Is my neighbor a hunter, are we friends, do I know he is a former criminal, is it my gun, did he borrow a gun?
Your black and white moronic scenario is useless.


The day human rights are no longer useful to society, we will not have human rights. (See War on Terror)

If and when God ever shows up and says there are human rights. We will start granting human rights. Partly because we will have concrete reason to believe in God, and partly because it will be useful. (Don't smite me angry god!)

Since this is never going to happen, I can assure you that human rights will only exist in practice or as a concept as long as they stay useful.

It is obvious that human rights are considered NOT useful by MANY conservatives in this country today. (See Gitmo)


Ixtellor

P.S. The only one true god is Vishu. I have self awareness of this. If you do not acknowledge this fact, you are not self aware.

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Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

And I advanced the possibility that there was another set of reasons entirely. But in your common manner, you feel that you are correct, use capitals to announce your belief instead of an actual fact, declare victory, and move on. Thank you for providing direct evidence for my argument.

Two minor corrections: First, I am not "the left". While I may be liberal, I do not and cannot represent the whole of however you define that group. And second, there was no shrieking in horror, merely a notation that you insinuate belittlement and condecension into most of your posts. I find it tedious and a waste of good debate time.

Why thank you Mr. Kettle. I appreciate your acknowledgement of your snottiness.

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The premise of the OP is that a majority of citizens (via the use of a theoretical law instated by a majority of hypothetical governmental powers who are against atheism) is the standard by today's typical leftist thought as the justification of a rationale no matter how ludicrous it may be. No matter the issue, as long as it's a law, the degree to which it is moral is irrelevant to them. If one person stands against the held belief of the majority, they are viewed as wrong by default. The justification of the left is always going to be one based on a rationale of an "everybody's doing it" mentality.

By your own claim of this entire thread being "dismissed by almost everyone who has posted," you have only served to illustrate the OP. You're now berating me by saying I have no knowledge of what is going on, and your basis for this belief is your own perception. It so happens that there are others who agree with you, so you MUST be right and I am mistaken... by default.... right?

I can't speak for Publius, but something tells me he really appreciates you proving his point... once again.

So, let's turn this boat around again (not that I relish giving up a meaningful discussion on zombies for just a bit) and let me ask you something. Is Human Rights meaningful to you even if the root to the law's premise comes from a religious origin and not that of an aetheistic/secular-humanist?

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Of course you are right, a hypothetical thread about waking up and atheism being outlawed and punishable by death should be taken completely seriously! It is just as serious a topic as say, aliens invaded and made you denounce god, would you? You are religious, but you will die if you don't renounce god! Serious and interesting huh! No!!!!

It is mental masturbation to pose hypothetical questions, in the form of impossible scenarios! The first and simplest question to ask is, how would people be identified as atheists! Do atheists all have tattoos on their foreheads distinguishing them? So again, I say that this is a nonsensical thread, and it bothers me that I have been made to justify it with a serious answer!

Last of all, the idea of natural rights precedes monotheism! The conflict of the orders was a long struggle for the rights of plebians in the roman republic! So if rights came from a christian god, how did they hear about them? Were they psychic?

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To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. Thomas Paine

I read those, and discredited them through point of reason. I do not feel I am correct, sir. That is certain knowledge.

FYI: I do not declare victory, if victory is at hand I merely note such..



Oh I understand you're a leftist that simply wants to avoid being held accountable for the predictable calamity which results from the policy that you and that insidious group advocate. That's perfectly understandable and quite common. It's the rare leftist that is found taking responsibility for the disaster which floats in their wake.

Oh there was shrieking... It's just that your reference is such that shrieking is normalized from your perspective.



ROFLMNAO... Were you under the impression that I was trying to conceal it?

I mean DAYUM Sport... I fly it as a rhetorical flag...

I am your worst nightmare Scooter... an American trained by the left in the art of rhetoric... meaning in short, that I have adopted the lefts ruthless disrespect for their opposition; But I bring along with that, the immutable reason of truth inherent in the American perspective.

There's a storm brewing buddy... best tie yourself down... I'm here and I got here by following YOU!

I think the word you're looking for, oh superior intellect, is shriek.

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Bugalugs: "people join the military because they are stupid and gullible."

Friends, occassionally you get a leftist so PO'd they actually confess... Enjoy...

Now this person will be voting for another person in November who believes exactly the same thing but just isn't desperate enough to admit it...

They see Might as right, thus their chronic need to project themselves as the popular majority... and proclaim "The Law" as the final arbiter of that which is right and just.

They are not with us friends, they are most decidedly against us... with US being Americans...

Now, again... this person will be voting for someone that feels precisely as she does and all you have to do is ask her who she's voting for to know who that is...

ROFL... I do love the sweet irony.

So you never answered my questions, PI. Did they get lost in the strenuous battle you've been doing with your foes here?

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Bugalugs: "people join the military because they are stupid and gullible."

I didn't see the question Kitty... But No... I'm not lost, what leads you to conclude I have?