1) Do you have friends here?
2) I always tell the truth. If I don't I admit it and apologize. (ask Blade about WaMu)
3) EVADE.

Instead of providing evidence to counter my claim you changed the subject.

My logic and rationale were flawless, and my examples real and concrete. You have no rebuttel hence you made a silly and irrelevant speech.

4) I am a male if it matters. But no worries as I don't care about personal attacks.
5) I am happy with all 3 candidates. I have always been a huge admirer of John McCain - the only Republican who showed any interest in Human Rights BTW. The only reason I will not be voting for him, is because I feel the Republicans trashed this country with their economic and foreign policy. So I feel obliged to send a message through the voting booth. For the first time I will be voting straight D. I realize that this means, I will probably cast a vote for some incompatent district attourney or local judge who just happens to have a D by their name.
6) I LOVE the concept of Human Rights. But I am also a realist. I realize with 100% clarity that they are a human construct that dissappear the second that people with guns say they do OR when they cease to be useful (see War on Terror)


Ixtellor

P.S. Only two provable lies in your latest post. So I guess you are improving.

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Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

Your sarcasm is noted, however there was such a group of people who woke up one morning back in 1939 and found themselves with just such an insane scenario. They had to sew yellow stars on their clothing, were stripped of their rights, and herded onto railroad cars destined for gas chambers. Such an insane thing could NEVER happen again, right?

Just earlier this week our government rearranged how we oversee the running of our economy by the Fed. They did so without a vote from we the people. They just did it. If they can do that, surely they can do just about anything they put their mind to. Just because you don't like the scenario of the OP, doesn't mean your brand of insanity is any worse than another's. Stop pretending you understand how inferior those of us who disagree with you are, and either leave this discussion or take part in it intelligently. Give it a try if you think you can.

That is a question for another thread. I do have an equally off-topic question for you though... is there a period on your keyboard? It appears as though you like using exclamation points a lot. I see commas and question marks too, but no periods. What's up with that?

Obviously you know this mental masturbation concept well, as you seem to be blinded to engaging in cogent thoughts with this thread's concept.

You seem to have an active enough imagination to conjure up and talk about zombies. I'm sure you'll think of a practical way to tackle the problem in due time.

I'm not claiming the idea's [Human rights] nexus is in Christianity, or from a Christian God. Perhaps you should read my last post to you again.

I will claim that a moral code of sorts existed in many different cultures that spawned western thought and human rights. Most, if not all of those, are rooted in religion. Whether or not it's monotheist or otherwise is not a point of contention with me.

Is that clear enough? If so, please be so kind as to answer my question... or feel free to refrain from replying at all.

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Of what specific economic policy are you speaking of; I'm not aware that any economic policy having been practiced in this country beyond that of the left since Reagan left office?

I imagine you'll cite the Bush tax cuts... PLEASE DO... That way I can ask you to cite a principle in economics to support your claim. For instance most leftist claim that reducing taxes translates into an expense for Government. If you site a valid explanation in support of this you'll be the first human being in the history of the species to do so.

As far as foreign policy is concerned; you being unhappy with the US taking the battle to the forces of Islamic Marxism is no surprise and stands as first class example that doing so was the right thing to do.


So you won't be voting for John McCain as you implied... Hey that's fine... neither will I.

That is a certainty, as every "D" you press is an incompetent; one cannot be even potentially competent where one is incapable of discerning validity from the ideological flatulence advanced by the left...

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ROFLMNAO... Sweet mother that is hysterical (in at least two contexts and on several levels...)

So you state that there is no such thing as human rights; that you like the idea, but because people with guns are prone to preventing the exercise of those rights, you realize... whuh?

OH! I see the problem. You don't understand what Human rights are... and to avoid admitting that you feel that if you flap your rhetorical gums sufficiently, you'll throw your opposition off and they on't notice..



and you didn't post them because you... what? Were protecting my feelings?

ROFLMNAO... Oh GOD that's precious...

Leftists...

Wow... That was very well said and I gotta say... you're quite the softy. I don't think those rhetorical bruises will last more than a week AT BEST!

I do think however that you missed a chance to explain to frodly that the world has had many governments which required their workers to renounce God... All of them leftist in origin of course and that given the steamy rationalizations that have been advanced on this thread by the dark-side indicate that its only a matter of time before that becomes a reality HERE...

The Marxist left is by default an atheist cult; the Marxist left is now in firm control of the Democrat political Machine and while they tolerate religious affirmation of the weak and feeble variety by the office holding Democrats; there is no end to the hysteria they emit when any of their political opposition are found expressing their devotion to God. Thus; should the Democrats find themselves able to parley the Hussein Cult's success, it is not just possible but likely that in the foreseeable future, that to gain Federal Office one will have to deny any affiliation to God...

Just read through this thread and read the disdain the atheist left has for the nucleus of American Culture... Our God-given Human Rights. It's hardly a full step, once they find sufficient power held by a popular majority to their requiring one deny bringing any religious thought to government; thus denying God; precisely as is deemed not just implausible, but that sustained only upon the fabric of science fiction. Naturally this will of course be all quite legal given the all encompassing "Separation of Church and State;” this, the Fellow atheist: Thomas Jefferson, is said so often to have placed ‘right there in the US Constitution, PAL!~’

Except Jefferson was a Christian; most decidedly not an atheist and he didn’t write anything into the US Constitution ... nor is there any mention of such a separation of Church and State in the US Constitution .... but only in a single letter which Jefferson penned to the Danbury Baptist church; a letter which was written to quell concerns the church expressed regarding the power of the State to infringe upon their religious freedom; a response in which Jefferson assured the Church that the Constitution prevented such infringement by the government… noteworthy here in that the phrase ‘wall of separation’ was uttered in that instrument and that the context in which Jefferson advanced it was 180 degrees from that for which is it is so often misused. Meaning Jefferson was not speaking of a wall preventing the Church from encroaching on the State; to the contrary, he was noting the constitutional restrictions preventing government from using its power to encroach upon THE CHURCH!

Stand by for the obligatory trotting out of the letter TJ penned to his nephew Peter Carr which the Left uses as PROOF CERTAIN that Jefferson was an atheist, or at best a ‘theists’… this in general advanced by those who copy them from radical leftist disinformation web sites, having never read any of Jefferson’s letters, until they came across the disemboweled quotes overtly misused to support one specious line of reasoning or another.

You can be sure they will never mention any of the of letters he wrote, particularly those written to John Adams in the later years, where he speaks of his profound belief in The Christ...

But hey… that’s sophist for ya…

1) protectionism
2) Deficit spending
3) Some deregulation or non-enforcement.
4) Outsourcing of Military Jobs. Where the 100K+ contract workers in Iraq make up to 10X what a person who enlisted makes doing the same job.
(Real life example: A person I know was paid 180K to go to Iraq and operate a weight lifting gym)

Well by the Bush admins own admission, Al Qaeda makes up 2% of enemy combatants in Iraq.

What I don't like is the fact that Osama is giving us the finger from Pakistan and that the Taliban which is ACTUALLY Islamic fascism is resurging.

Oh and pre-emptive war is the worst concept in the last 80 years. I guess Russia had better pre-emptively attack Poland before we put nukes there.

I guess I implied it here: Most people would have read the "not" and concluded with 100% accuracy I would NOT be voting for McCain.
But since you don't read any responses and merely inject or fabricate what was said, this was no shock coming from you.

Ahh now we get to the crux of who you are.

Regardless of your age, you are a juvenile. <-- Personal attack Since you are a juvenile, <-- Personal attack let me retort in a way you will understand:

"Only a Sith speaks in absolutes"

You might want to get your news from some place other than the Michael Savage show for a while.


I will rephrase in terms a juvenile can understand.

1) I like the idea of human rights, in the same way I like the idea of Utopia.
2) There is no such thing as human rights or Utopia.
3) We will have brief moments in history where some people have human rights, and others experience Utopia.
4) These moments never last, and are guarenteed to cease being practiced for two reasons.
Reason 1: People with guns decide to end it. In Darfur, a persons "human rights" came to an abrupt end when they were surrounded by people with machettes and chopped up into little pieces. Or when a girl looking for firewood is gang raped. These were both common occurances in Darfur.
In America we used to believe that NOT being tortured was a human right. After 9/11 you will find many Americans who no longer believe this. (Many on this very forum)
Look at any number of the openly racist posters on these forums. They would end the human rights of blacks in a nano second if they had the military to do it.
Al Qaeda would end human rights in the world in an instant if they had the military capacity.

Reason 2: Human rights are no longer deemed useful by humans.
You see humans only engage in behaviors that are useful to them. (There are some devient exceptions, but 99.999% of these can be explained by the fact that they derive satisfaction from a behavior that most would deem "NOT useful" (Scooping out your own eyes with a spoon is NOT useful)

At one point Slavery was useful. You can read all about how to be a good slave master in the Bible.
But then people figured out that it was actually more profitable and economically viable to switch to feudalism. Hence people discovered that slavery was not as useful as other economic systems. Then Feudalism lost its usefullness when people invented capitalism.

I predict capitalism will be replaced by something more useful, when we discover how to change or create (cheaply) matter.

Did you know that they CAN grow a heart from a few stem cells?


I know exactly what they are.
They are exactly like the easter bunny.

A made up human concept invented to make us feel better.

Have you ever seen small children to react to a person in a giant Easter Bunny outfit? They are SOOO happy!!

Just like a Japanese American was in pre-WWII. They were soo happy with their "human rights".

Then the men with guns showed up one day, and they had to learn that "human rights" was just a concept.

Ixtellor

P.S. What evidence to you have that "human rights" exist?

P.P.S. Let me guess.. you will show me your magic book. Not sure which one you will pick (Yes I do), but I don't think it will be the Koran or the Book of Mormon.

P.P.P.S. If you stone to death a back talking child, is that human rights?

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Pretty much says it all.

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I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.

Get another cup of coffee and ask him if he wants a biscuit, the reason, I like a nice gingernut with my morning brew!

Oh...

SO did you omit the reasoning which lead you ceding your inalienable right to life because you feel you don't have such a right or because you don't have a reason?

Protectionism? Meaning what, that you're against the US defending itself from Islamic Terrorism? Or are you speaking of Trade protections? Now if it's protections in trade, what specific policy are you griping about
ROFLMNAO... Sweet Mother... Deficit spending? Ya mean like that advanced by "The Great Society?"

Take social entitlement spending out of the equation, along with the mandatory increases inherent to it and the US budget is balanced tonight.

Whuh? POLICY! What POLICY ARE YOU SPEAKING OF... CONSERVATIVE POLICY. Not vague references to general concepts... CITE A POLICY!

ON HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THOUSAND WHOLE DOLLARS?

And for just going to a war zone, risking his life and exposing himself to tens of thousands of dollars in liability? MAN! Such a deal...

Here's the thing... It cost less to hire contractors than it does to train and support a member of the military... It's not long division Scooter... its simple arithmetic. You look at revenue and like all leftist you see 'income.' Only revenue is not income...

Now I say this as a contractor that operated all over North America for a decade analyzing Fiber plant... at times I realized revenue of 25k a week... of course I had to get myself to the location of the contract, rent an apartment and absorb all the expenses inherent with that... lease or buy equipment necessary to that particular gi; pay subs in advance, insurance, licenses, on and on... IN ADVANCE OF BILLING A CENT and all while I maintained my home, family and the usual stuff... OH and sometimes you go months and months without a contract... sometimes you drive 1500 miles, hauling all that gear and men; MONEY FLYING OUT OF YOUR POCKET and the job isn't viable... sometimes you work for weeks before you find out the company that hired you isn't viable... and you don't get a cent... and sometimes you work for months and the management for the company you're working for gets indicted and the quarter of a million you're counting on to pay your men, business and personal expenses evaporates right in front of you... sometimes you go months waiting on a gig, drive 2000 miles, set up shop spend 12k before you get your first billing out and 19 idiots drive two airliners into the buildings that the company you're working for is located and... well you get the idea.

So you'll pardon me if I'm not wetting my pants over some kid that flies to a war zone to operate a gym and only managed to squeeze 180 large in revenue.


ROFL... SO? 9-11 had 19 out of 300 million people attack the US, costing the US Economy a trillion dollars, tossing hundreds of thousands out of work, the closing of businesses and on and on and on... That's the nature of insurgencies... it doesn't take a lot of people to cause chaos. Al Aqeda means "the head," their entire mission is to organize and exploit the assets of Islam to attack their enemy. The US toppled the Taliban will far fewer than 2% of their army... The Viet Cong were less than 2% of the NVA...

I don't like it either... Nor does George Bush... But not liking it and chasing his ghost into those Mountains is two entirely different levels of reasoning. Sooner or later you'll wake-up and some USSOCOM unit will be frog marching him onto a C-130 or you'll see some IR video of an indisclosed location going up in a ball of fire and within that ball will be the essence of one OBL.


Hey... OT! Check THAT out.. this leftist is equating the US to the worst evil of te latter half of the 20th century...




No I was going on: I have always been a huge admirer of John McCain - the only Republican who showed any interest in Human Rights BTW.

Like say a science fiction series?

ROFLMNAO... OH GOD! Now THAT'S precious...



Mighty white of ya...

1) I like the idea of human rights, in the same way I like the idea of Utopia.
2) There is no such thing as human rights or Utopia.
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Oh I see... so you feel that human rights are a fantasy... well that's hardly news Scooter... that's regurgitated leftist boilerplate...