Doesn't make sense.

While the topic does involve racism, racism isn't the central theme of this thread. I've moved it here to Personal Political Beliefs per your request.

Have a good discussion you guys.

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Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

I realize this is your immediate reaction to the topic, but being Jewish does not make one a Zionist (radical or otherwise). A good many prominent Jews (especially Orthodox) oppose Zionism and further expansion in Israel. Since "anti-Semitic" is a hot buzzword, many Zionists (Jews and non Jews) connect any criticism of their aims to just that. It's traditionally been a rather effective tactic. Of late, it's begun to run out of steam. It doesn't pass the giggle test when a Zionist points at an Orthodox Jew and screams, he's just saying that because he's anti-Semitic! But so many have heard the two terms (Jewish and Zionist) used synonymously that they're virtually the same in the minds of many. Understandably, many of the Jewish faith don't like this. Why should they pay a price for a movement which they don't agree with in the first place?

There are a good many people who are anti-Zionists (myself, for instance), who are not anti-Jewish (anti-Semitic is a bastardized term, which has been grossly misused). But the neo-conservatives (using their typical if you're not with us, you're against us = a liberal) will continue to use the race/religion card to stifle broader public discussions of the matter.

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This is a very good thread...i feel like because it makes me think about things i should be able to say something one way or the other...but all i keep thinking is there are good jewish people, there are bad jewish people, there are good palestinians and bad palestians, there are good "left wing " people and there are bad "left wing" people,......i guess you get what i'm saying here.
Judging people because of what "group" they are in , well, it just leads to arguments and confusion. While i have enjoyed this discussion and maybe learned a thing or two, i still can't say "well, this side gets the most points".

This did not add to the discussion probably, but i sure was thinking of it while i was reading this . It also reminded me of my thoughts that what this planet needs is a good alien invasion so we can see better that we are all in this together. (and i'm only half kidding

from the bad jews (Zionists) is disingenuous, to say the least. Particularly when the term Zionist is now used interchangeably these days by those in the far left, and the far right, to mean Jew.

Catz

If the palestinians cared about killing Zionists, only, they'd be targeting only government officials, right? But they don't. They delight in killing Jews...ANY JEW WILL DO...a mother, a child, someone riding the bus to work.

It somewhat undermines your reasoning here.

Catz

http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=68055

If you wish to attack what is essentially governmental policy (zionism), you don't target civilians who are utterly uninvolved with it.

Catz

"Since "anti-Semitic" is a hot buzzword, many Zionists (Jews and non Jews) connect any criticism of their aims to just that."

I agree that someone who is Anti-Israel is not automatically Anti-Semitic. However, more and more often in my experience this is proving to be the case. I have already illustrated the one sided sympathies. That's the start of the blurred line right there.

As Catz pointed out, those who are killing innocent Israelis aren't concerned with who they kill - just that they can kill a Jew. How can you reasonably expect us then to not think that those in support of such wanton Jew-haters aren't harboring the same feelings?

I agree. Let's call it what it is. It isn't anti-semitism (those who are doing the killing of innocents are ALSO semites). It's jew hatred.

Catz