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Hinduism? You have officially gone out of your mind!
Hinduism is supposed to be one of the if not the strongest religions for retaining members. I'd suggest it's because it's so inclusive and so flexible that there is no reason to ever convert.
It works for rural uneducated reactionary fundamentalists (otherwise the BJP would never have beaten Congress Party, not even once).
It works for people who throw away all superstitions and put trust in science and don't even really care about questions of the supernatural.

There's something about defining God as existence itself and looking at all his incarnations as pretty much metaphoric (unless you're a fundamentalist) that makes a religion really hard to get rid of.

Of course it's also not all that great at converting people... That's why Islam and Christianity get the advantage in numbers.

But, yeah, I wouldn't hold out for the destruction of Hinduism anytime soon.
Then again I think the notion of destroying Islam is a joke as well (even if there actually was a good reason to).
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Then again I think the notion of destroying Islam is a joke as well (even if there actually was a good reason to).
Not a joke, but probably impossible depending on what one means by destroying. I would be satisfied with expelling all muslims from all western nations and containing them in their own barbarian lands and hopefully, gradually civilizing them through trade and communications. But, no matter the strategy, islam must be defeated and many, many muslims will be killed in the process, far more than Westerners of course. But, then they don't really care since death is their greatest love in life.
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Not a joke, but probably impossible depending on what one means by destroying. I would be satisfied with expelling all muslims from all western nations and containing them in their own barbarian lands and hopefully, gradually civilizing them through trade and communications. But, no matter the strategy, islam must be defeated and many, many muslims will be killed in the process, far more than Westerners of course. But, then they don't really care since death is their greatest love in life.
Interesting. If I compare you to the average Dearbornian I've met... you seem to be the more bloodthirsty one.
Strange how that works.

People keep blabbing about "constructions that keep Islam from changing". That may work in a theocracy... but it doesn't work in the US. It actually doesn't work anywhere in the long run.
Religion changes. That's actually why the mullahs and fundies are in such a tizzy... The rest of the Muslim world would rather be like us.

Too bad views like yours help create a common enemy to tie them to the terrorist slimebags.
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Too bad views like yours help create a common enemy to tie them to the terrorist slimebags.
Baloney. The problem is the source ideology, muhammed and islam, not my condemnation of it. I am all for reforming those of them that can be and killing the rest which is why I have supported the efforts to establish a civilized democracy in iraq despite great costs and delays in moving on to annihilate iran and syria's terrorist regimes.
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Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

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Baloney. The problem is the source ideology, muhammed and islam, not my condemnation of it. I am all for reforming those of them that can be and killing the rest which is why I have supported the efforts to establish a civilized democracy in iraq despite great costs and delays in moving on to annihilate iran and syria's terrorist regimes.
What you keep harping on is that Mohammad was evil, and that (for some reason) makes the religion and all its followers evil as well. But the big three religions, jew, christian and muslim share the same god and the same old testiment. Have you ever read anything about god himself? God was pretty brutal, yet we consider him perfect. For example, god flooded the whole world and killed everything, and then claimed to do it again - in fire. All three religions believe in this god. Do you demonize every religion?
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I never claimed that 100,000 civilians died by American hands. I merely state the fact that our invasion and occupation has resulted in 100,000 civilian deaths.

This is figure approximates the numbers from Iraq Body Count, the most well documented, and highly regarded, source of civilian Iraq deaths from violence during our war with Iraq.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
So your logic is that if we are not there, the number will go down... That makes perfect sense... not.
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What you keep harping on is that Mohammad was evil, and that (for some reason) makes the religion and all its followers evil as well. But the big three religions, jew, christian and muslim share the same god and the same old testiment. Have you ever read anything about god himself? God was pretty brutal, yet we consider him perfect. For example, god flooded the whole world and killed everything, and then claimed to do it again - in fire. All three religions believe in this god. Do you demonize every religion?
Correction: God didn't claim he destroyed the earth by fire; he stated that he will destroy the earth by fire and every atheist on it...

Islam is a religion of hate and it will either be converted of destroyed. Despite the crying of panty-waist independent, moderate, centrist, secular progressives... WHO ironically will be the FIRST to go should we fail to do so...
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Correction: God didn't claim he destroyed the earth by fire; he stated that he will destroy the earth by fire and every atheist on it...

Islam is a religion of hate and it will either be converted of destroyed by god. Despite the crying of panty-waist independent, moderate, centrist, secular progressives... WHO ironically will be the FIRST to go should we fail to do so...
Ah, so god is going to do it then? Then why bother do it ourselves?
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I never claimed that 100,000 civilians died by American hands. I merely state the fact that our invasion and occupation has resulted in 100,000 civilian deaths.

This is figure approximates the numbers from Iraq Body Count, the most well documented, and highly regarded, source of civilian Iraq deaths from violence during our war with Iraq.
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So your logic is that if we are not there, the number will go down... That makes perfect sense... not.
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What you keep harping on is that Mohammad was evil, and that (for some reason) makes the religion and all its followers evil as well. But the big three religions, jew, christian and muslim share the same god and the same old testiment. Have you ever read anything about god himself? God was pretty brutal, yet we consider him perfect. For example, god flooded the whole world and killed everything, and then claimed to do it again - in fire. All three religions believe in this god. Do you demonize every religion?
She only hates Muslims, and tries to change the subject whenever you mention anything negative about Christianity.
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I have no reason to hate Christians. They aren't raving mad savages bent on enforcing an insane totalitarian ideology upon the entire world, running a worldwide jihad of terrorism targeting children, women, the old, the injuried, or anyone weak enough for their pathetic attempts at conquest, or any of all the other insane, stupid things islam is so proud to never cease.
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I have no reason to hate Christians. They aren't raving mad savages bent on enforcing an insane totalitarian ideology upon the entire world, running a worldwide jihad of terrorism targeting children, women, the old, the injuried, or anyone weak enough for their pathetic attempts at conquest, or any of all the other insane, stupid things islam is so proud to never cease.
Of course not. Christianity could be the most violently vile religion on earth, yet you would still be hung up on Muslims.

I repeat: Not all Muslims are bad people.
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