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Old 05-08-2008, 07:03 PM
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This is what Eleanor is trying to say, even though she does so in a very offensive way.
Yes, it is not PC to tell the truth about islam's great evil. They don't like it and will cause trouble and make the liberals feel bad about themselves so they appease them and hand over our freedom. This is one of the greatest threats of islam's evil, this appeasement, this apologist propaganda. For islam to have any religious rights, all non-muslims must die or submit to slavery and be subject to arbitrary execution. This is the peace, the oneness of idiocy of islam.
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Then again I think the notion of destroying Islam is a joke as well (even if there actually was a good reason to).
I do agree that regardless of anyone's opinions about Islam, our culture has degenerated such that "doing anything" material about anything is too much to handle.
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Old 05-08-2008, 09:15 PM
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Of course not. Christianity could be the most violently vile religion on earth, yet you would still be hung up on Muslims.

I repeat: Not all Muslims are bad people.
Stop putting Christianity on the scale.
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LOL....This debate is hilarious.

The OVERWHELMING majority of Muslims are peaceful people. Now yes there are some very strongly worded things concerning violence in their religious beliefs. MOST Muslims simply choose to not follow those aspects of it.

Its no different than Christianity though. There is plenty of stuff in the bible that is pretty much considered to be b.s. even by Christians these days. They choose not to pay attention to those aspects of it. (The Bible also calls for women to be subservient to men).

This belief that "all Muslims are evil" is based on FEAR and a lack of understanding.

Now with that said....Yes alot of them are friggin insane and wacko, and those ones should be disposed of. However Makkede is also correct when she says that we have to try to build a bridge towards peace with the majority of the Muslim world in order to win over the rest of them that DONT hate us.

My personal opinion is that we should just leave them alone and stay away from them. They dont want us on their lands, and we dont really want to be over there aside from oil purposes and our friendship with Israel.

Oh well though, I already know that Pluribus and Eleanor will somehow take my words and try to insist that I am somehow a traitor and a terrorist lover because I believe that peaceful tactics are more useful than military ones in THIS instance. (not in every instance btw)
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Agreed. Not all Muslims are bad people. But that in no way mitigates the fact that Islam, as it is practiced in certain areas of the Middle East, is a violent and repressive political and religious ideology. This is what Eleanor is trying to say, even though she does so in a very offensive way. The fundemental tenets of Islam place it in a position of bold confrontation with the democratic and multicultural ideals we have learned from youth. I realize that the Muslim living next door to me may be a nice fellow, but that doesn't change what Islam is. It is an ideology hell-bent on imposing its narrow view of the world on the rest of humanity.
I've yet to see anything offensive. Blunt, yes. Offensive, no. I do think that she may see an imminent threat that is, in actuality, a very minute portion of the Muslim world. I've traveled extensively, and spent time in Turkey, Egypt, Morocco, etc. and cannot recall meeting anyone who prayed 5 times daily, stopping whatever they were doing. In other words, the vast majority are not fanatically devout, to the extent where we have to worry about being slaughtered by the Islamic hordes.

I suggest less FOXNEWS, or any of Murdoch's media, and less Bushie Kool-Aid. This War On Terror™ is just a trumped up avenue for corporations to get huge government contracts.

Say...what ever happened to all those color-coded terrorist threats we saw when Bush was in trouble against Kerry? They've disappeared since December, 2004, haven't they?

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Say...what ever happened to all those color-coded terrorist threats we saw when Bush was in trouble against Kerry? They've disappeared since December, 2004, haven't they?

I was actually wondering about that myself as well.

Im not going to call it a conspiracy or anything, but yeah the news definitely doesnt display them anymore as far as I can tell.

Maybe the govt figured that since it was overdone that it had lost its effectiveness and they should only post them when there is actually a significant threat.

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LOL....This debate is hilarious.

The OVERWHELMING majority of Muslims are peaceful people. Now yes there are some very strongly worded things concerning violence in their religious beliefs. MOST Muslims simply choose to not follow those aspects of it.

Its no different than Christianity though. There is plenty of stuff in the bible that is pretty much considered to be b.s. even by Christians these days. They choose not to pay attention to those aspects of it. (The Bible also calls for women to be subservient to men).

This belief that "all Muslims are evil" is based on FEAR and a lack of understanding.

Now with that said....Yes alot of them are friggin insane and wacko, and those ones should be disposed of. However Makkede is also correct when she says that we have to try to build a bridge towards peace with the majority of the Muslim world in order to win over the rest of them that DONT hate us.

My personal opinion is that we should just leave them alone and stay away from them. They dont want us on their lands, and we dont really want to be over there aside from oil purposes and our friendship with Israel.

Oh well though, I already know that Pluribus and Eleanor will somehow take my words and try to insist that I am somehow a traitor and a terrorist lover because I believe that peaceful tactics are more useful than military ones in THIS instance. (not in every instance btw)

Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Stop putting Christianity on the scale.
Why is everyone so eager to avoid the subject of Christianity? I am simply saying that there are negative things in the Bible, as in the Quran, yet everyone seems to disregard this fact and focus on Islam bashing.
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Agreed. Not all Muslims are bad people. But that in no way mitigates the fact that Islam, as it is practiced in certain areas of the Middle East, is a violent and repressive political and religious ideology. This is what Eleanor is trying to say, even though she does so in a very offensive way.
It is only certain parts of Islam that are violent - those who live under, and follow, Sharia law are certainly evil, but the majority of Muslims do not follow this law. Eleanor comes across as offensive because she appears to lump all Muslims into the same category, which just isn't fair. She could try being a little less offensive in her feelings.
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Why is everyone so eager to avoid the subject of Christianity? I am simply saying that there are negative things in the Bible, as in the Quran, yet everyone seems to disregard this fact and focus on Islam bashing.
Christianity's evil (which is really, really, really small from what I know) does not offset or invalidate Islam's evil (which I also acknowledge is really, really, really small). It is a moot point.
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