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Originally Posted by JavaBlack
1. Sharia Law in the interpretation of more modern Muslims tends to be oppressive to Muslims, as only Muslims are held to it. I'd still oppose it as it would give Muslims less-than-human rights and it would really screw over Muslims who wanted to convert (especially those born into the religion).
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Is there any doubt in your mind that Sharia does not affect a kafir's freedom of speech?
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2. You really think there are NO Muslims who are against Sharia Law?
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I'd like to see evidence of this, if you have it. Honestly, I think you're just talking out of your hat here. To be a Muslim, one must live by this rule of law. All Islamic countries are Islamic because their judicial philosophy explicitly states that Sharia takes precedence over common law.
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I wouldn't want to be the one making that claim, as it has been proven false in polls... and by the existence of secular liberal Muslims...
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One question: Are we alluding to polls that actually exist? If so, please supply them.
Or perhaps, not any.
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But there are some who oppose it, more in some places than others (not surprisingly, more modern places with more well-off Muslims have more opposition).
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No, while there may be a great many Muslims who do not practice Islam as it should be practiced, make no mistake, Sharia and Islam are one and the same thing.
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3. It is highly unlikely that any country that is not majority Muslim would ever allow Sharia Law. In the US, it would in fact be struck down as unconstitutional the moment any Muslim challenges the death sentence aimed at him for converting.
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At the current birth rate of their population, France will be an Islamic state in less than 15 years. Unconstitutional questions matter little when there are enough people to overthrow a constition.
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Also I don't buy for a second that any Westerner is willing to allow that law to affect him/her at all. If anything some Europeans might allow Muslims to have their own little communities with Sharia Law.
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"Europe will be Islamic by the end of the century." - Bernard Lewis.
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4. If Muslim countries have Sharia Law... so what? If they are democratically controlled then they will go through the same kind of civil rights battles every other democracy went through and remove it bit by bit. And if they don't... well I guess they'll just suffer brain drain as those who would break it flee to avoid punishment.
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You seem to be missing the point. The will of the majority cannot deprive the minority of their basic human rights. Muslims cannot do this to kafirs any more than white people can do it to black people. Having a popular majority is not enough to deprive one of his basic human rights.
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I've yet to meet a religionist at all, short of a Unitarian, who believes all religions are on the same footing as theirs (even Unitarians think they have a better understanding than others).
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No, I didn't say that Muslims just thought they were right and other faiths were wrong. I said that Muslims thought Islam must be the supreme religion. There's a very fundamental difference.
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This is why no religion should be tied to a state...
But we do not have say over what other nations do.
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I don't care about other nations. I just care about the West.
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Define average. The polls show that a mode might believe "there are sometimes when suicide bombing might be allowable to defend the religion"... whatever the hell that means.
It's also worth noting that as terrorists kill more and more members of their own faith... people of Islam are supporting violence less and less.
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average, I mean the bulk of them, like 75% or more of them. These are the ones that understand what Islam really is. But the other 25% would agree with the 75% if they were properly educated in Islamic theology. Like, 25% of Catholics may be in favor of abortion, but if you took them to a priest and had the priest explain to them what Catholic theology is, even those 25% would be against abortion, or they would leave Catholism.
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Of course the 800 pound gorilla in the room is Israel... That's the main area where people see violence as justified... That's where the problem is.
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And why is it justified? Because the Koran teaches every good Muslim that it is his duty to see that not an inch of Muslim land should be surrendered to the kafir. In other words, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is a religious conflict that underscores the same discrimination Eleanor's been addressing.
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Solve the problem between the Israelis and the Palestinians... and you'll see terrorism plummet.
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Possibly, but the World Trade Center was nowhere near Israel. Perhaps they'll just find a new target for their hate.
05-09-2008, 12:44 PM
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