Funny you should say that, I think we know what happens when you insult Islam. Remember that little cartoon? Or perhaps Salmon Rushdie and his book, hmmmm I believe a fatwa was issued for his death. Now how is this rational behavior?

You talk about interpretation, yet a Muslim claims that the Koran is the word of Allah unchanged. So how can you have different interpretations?

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Conan! What is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women

Did they look like psychos? Is that what they looked like? They were vampires. Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a **** how crazy they are!

Hilarious that someone who clearly knows nothing about islam dismisses all criticism of it as being closed-minded. It is in fact he that is closed minded, completely, to any possibility that islam is evil, so close-minded he simply ignores all evidence to support it and retreats to the "thats not PC" defense.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

Without evidence to support this statement, it really means nothing. Why should I accept your view of what actual Muslims believe, and not Eleanor's? At least she backs up what she says with evidence from the Koran and the haditha. You simply make a bold statement like this, and expect it to be taken at face value.

Her claim that Islam is evil is an opinion, as we both know. In practical terms, I believe it's more realistic to say that Islam is a threat to Western values, much in the same way that Communism was a threat to democratic values.

When the Pope made a few off-hand remarks which were only mildly critical of Islam, quite a few people died as a consequence of the riots that broke out. Your comment illustrates in stark terms the threat we speak of to one of our most basic freedoms.

An open mind is not a mind that always agrees with what it hears. An open mind is one that is willing to listen to what you say before coming to a decision. Eleanor has listened and responded to everyone on this board. If you want to change her (or anyone else's) point of view, you must supply us with facts and reasons to support your conclusions.

The truth isn't always politically correct.

I'm not a Neo-Con, but I know that they are evil.

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Conan! What is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women

Did they look like psychos? Is that what they looked like? They were vampires. Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a **** how crazy they are!

This is a difficult question.

Should Islam be invalidated as a "Religion"?

Should we define "Religion" to only those forms of beliefs which do not encourage mortal conflict?

I don't know.

I have met many Muslims who use their faith to make them better people. Non-violent in every sense of the word.

I understand that a literal interpretation of the Qur'an does infer violence.

These are difficult questions, it will affect Billions of Muslims to simply deny the validation of their Faith.

I think we, as non-Muslims should respect their Culture...and only act when acted upon.

We should not deny them their Faith, but we should defend ourselves if need be.

No one should be forced to be Muslim...and no one should be forced not to.

This of course leads us to a perpetual state of unrest between the Muslim and the non-Muslim.

It's quite a quandary challenging our species.

No one cares about their religion. If they would cease their aggression/terrorism, we would obviously let them keep their insane ideology in their own lands, even let them continue to repress and abuse women, children, gays, or any of the million other things islam has no tolerance for. But, this isn't going to happen because islam is inherntly evil and aggressive. They will never leave us alone, and therefore we must recognize the absolute evil of islam and refuse to appease it ANY way. We really shoudln't allow them in Western countries at all. They are simply too dangerous and barbaric to fit in civilization.

The problem isn't tolerance by the West. We are too tolerant of their evil already and it encourages them to do more of it. The problem is that islam has no tolerance for anything but islam.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

Barring entry to our Nation on the basis of Religion violates the sacrosanct foundations of the very reason why it was established.

Religious persecution.

Do you not see this?

Do you not understand the core values of the United States?

America is not "For White Christian folks only"

America is nothing without CORE values.

Nothing.

It has nothing to do with religious freedom. islam is not just a religion but an evil political and economic ideology which we are currently at war with, a war they started. To let enemies enter your country during a war is idiotic, not a core value.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

We are spending Trillions....Trillions....$1,000,000,000,000's of hardworking, honest taxpayer's money on a MUSLIM Nation...

Iraq.

We are training their security forces, we are re-building their infrastructure...

for a Muslim Nation..

now you want to somehow "legislate" that Islam is not a valid Religion and that anyone who practices this Faith should be Barred entry to America and any honest citizen who is Muslim should be deported.

I think that is a definition of Insanity.

Nation build an Islamic "state" and then declare it Invalid.

Wow.

Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.