That's nonsense. If that were true, you'd be talking about 150 million active extremists. The best estimates come nowhere near that. Most estimates put it in the tens of thousands, at most. The most alarming credible number is about 100,000 -- based on State Department watch lists. Thats still only 0.01% of Muslims, and that's throwing a very large net.

Fearmongering serves no useful purpose.

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You offer no evidence though clearly it is pretty tough to prove the percentage of muslim morons willing to commit terrorism. Still, I will stick with the estimates given by the defecting muslims, including an ex-terrorist, in the videos linked to under the statement I made. I believe they are truthful and well qualified to make the estimate. And, the ex-terrorist is now a world renown expert on islamic terrorism. So, lets see your evidence. I believe their own words/threats and the words in the Quran, which tells them it is the unholy duty of all muslims to wage eternal war until the entire world is muslim, enslaved by muslims, or dead. How can they be a muslim, emulate muhammed (a terrorist, murdering, child raping thug), and believe the quran and NOT believe in terrorism? If they don't believe in terrorism, they are by definition in conflict with muhammed, the quran, and are not truly muslim.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...402125_pf.html

The NSA, whose job is to track terrorists and which isn't trying to sell books, had a 325,000-name list in 2006. Due to duplicates and aliases, the list actually includes about 200,000 individuals.

If you want to use 200,000, fine -- that's still just 0.02% of Muslims, assuming everyone on the list is a Muslim.

But the number is almost certainly lower than that. Besides ongoing questions about the accuracy of the list, it is made up of "known terrorists and suspected associates". Basically, you get on the list if you belong to any organization designated a terror organization. So if you're a member of Hamas, you're on the list, whether or not you're an actual terrorist and regardless of whether you have zero interest in attacking anything but Israel.

Is 200,000 a lot of people? Yes. Is it enough to indict 1.5 billion Muslims? Hardly.

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Your list is of KNOWN terrorists. This has NOTHING to do with the topic being debated, the percentage of muslims that actually believe they should emulate muhammed, follow the quran, and wage eternal war to make the whole world muslim, enslaved, or dead. Your entire position is absurd. You are basically stating that not all muslims are muslim, because they aren't muslim if they don't follow the quran and muhammed- which means eternal world war to enslave all under unholy islam.

The debate really doesn't matter too much. The evil of islamofascism worldwide is growing at a very rapid rate and they will soon feel strong enough in Europe to shed their deception of peace and assimilation and start committing the mass murders/genocides that they so desire. Then, the truth about the evil of islam will be absolutely clear to everyone. Of course, Europe is going to get wrecked in the process but we will rebuild it after we defeat the islamotards.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

ummmm....Proof?

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sputterman: "Aiding the enemy? If the truth aids the enemy then we are in the wrong war."

Are you including all of the muslims in America and other western countries? I would love to see your argument for murdering American citizens.

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sputterman: "Aiding the enemy? If the truth aids the enemy then we are in the wrong war."

Because those are the three major Abrhamaic religions; to point out the sheer absurdity of your argument.

You're willing to kill innocent women and children because you think a religion is the source of problems, instead of the small group of people who actually are the problem.

I made no generalization. You did.

You're a tool of our enemies: when muslims hear that people like you really do want another crusade, it helps them recruit.

If one really want to kill a billion people, one is worse than a terrorist, actually, you're a genocidal maniac.

My turn to what? Put the bodies in the oven?


You want to fight terrorists with genocide.

That's more than perverse, that's abhorrent.

You are the one helping the enemy, by furthering the idea that we want to destroy the religion, not the extremists.

Yes. I think that tells us a lot about the value of your opinion.
You statements here appear to be nothing more than ramblings. **MOD EDIT**: personal attack deleted.** Try meeting some Muslims. Talk to them. Have a holiday in Malaysia or Indonesia - there's a lot of nice beach resorts. Don't just sit there spewing bile about something you know absolutely nothing about

This thread reminds me of an older Tears for Fears song called "Mad World".

For all of the proponents of an overall war against all of Islam; have you folks actually seen the consequences of war?

One of the downsides of having a military that not only represents a tiny fraction of the population, but tends to draw heavily from a tiny subset of that population. It's easy to be cavalier about people you don't know, seeing them as an abstract organization (the military) and not people putting lives on the line.

People really should sit up and notice that when it comes to deciding on military action, the generals are almost always the ones *least* interested in doing so. Think about why that might be.

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