New Crusades - Should Islam Be Destroyed? - Page 14

DanishDynamite · #**131** (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PatriotNews

I sure am glad I opened up this can of worms.

Some of you want to argue that there are 1 billion + Muslims in the world. I would argue that there are 500 million + muslim men, and the women they enslave in the muslim world. Most of my critics no doubt, are of a particular idiology who are often heard saying they are for a womans right to choose. Well howsabout giving these women a choice between muslim or Christian or any other of a number of choices. How many of you actually believe they would choose what they have now? Be honest.

Most would probably choose what they have now as they would have no idea what being a Christian was. And being a Christian is as ludicrous as being a Muslim anyway.

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Funny how I am suggest that the idiology of Islam be destroyed and everyone assumes the worst. That I am calling for the extermination of 1 billion people. No. I am not. I'm suggesting we could get rid of this so called religion, though. How about we ban it and or covert its followers to other religions or just unbrain wash these turkeys.

For those who can't be treated by civilized means, and wish to become martyrs for Allah, then we should ablige them.

Certainly all religions are a scourge on humanity and the sooner they disappear the better. But banning a religion isn't really a sensible approach.

PatriotNews · #**132** (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

Yes. I think that tells us a lot about the value of your opinion.
You statements here appear to be nothing more than ramblings. **MOD EDIT**: personal attack deleted.** Try meeting some Muslims. Talk to them. Have a holiday in Malaysia or Indonesia - there's a lot of nice beach resorts. Don't just sit there spewing bile about something you know absolutely nothing about

The USA has an army, an air force, a navy and a marine corps to do just that...meet muslims and take them out.

GovernmentCheese · #**133** (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Herkdriver

Fair enough.

This is true, and apologies to you.

I've been involved, and my niece is currently involved.

If you still think we should extend another theater of operations to Afghanistan and Iraq...
then quite frankly...

that is crazy talk.

I'm an 18 year veteran of the USAF Reserves...I was involved in Gulf War I and II and Afghanistan..

I've seen enough myself.

I've personally talked to many who follow the Qu'ran...their main fear is seeing a corrupt Western civilization effect their culture...

Their fears are identical to ours in some ways, they see a Western culture that permits all sorts of immoralities.

Extermination is certainly not the road to a common ground of tolerance.

We need to finish what is already started.

I'm not a Liberal, I'm a man of reason.

I agree with a lot of that. I will add that we now have Iraq surrounded. I especially agree with the statement that they don't want a Western government taking them over. Nor should we want to. but if they are not willing to stand up and take care of this problem, how long will we let the attacks continue? The crazies will not stop until they get what they want. And it ain't just the Jews out of Israel.

We have Iran surronded. Will we ever again? Will we ever need to? How many sortees do you think it would take to knock their infrastructure out?

PatriotNews · #**134** (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DanishDynamite

Most would probably choose what they have now as they would have no idea what being a Christian was. And being a Christian is as ludicrous as being a Muslim anyway.

Certainly all religions are a scourge on humanity and the sooner they disappear the better. But banning a religion isn't really a sensible approach.

Again, another person who draws some retarded moral equivalance between a destructive murderous ideology and a faith of enumerous acts of human generousity and selflessness.

DanishDynamite · #**135** (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GovernmentCheese

You understand what dhimmitude is right?

No, I must admit I don't. Just looked it up in the Merriam-Webster dictionary and the Dictionary.com. They didn't know either. Could you explain this word you seem to have invented?

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I don't think evevryone here is saying all Muslims are for the Muslim law taking over everything. I work with Muslim friends. What we are saying, is that some of those people won't stop until they institute Muslim law. You can try to "modernize" or "westernize" them all you want, but it ain't gonna take.

So what you are saying is that some Muslims wish to see Sharia Law instituted across the world? If so, we are in agreement on that point. The Muslims who so wish are the Islamists, the militaristic fundies which make up a tiny fraction of all people of the Islam faith. They make up probably as great a proportion of the Muslim population and represent Islam probably as much as the Creationist do Christianity.

PatriotNews · #**136** (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fear-And-Loathing

If you are so zealous against people calling for genocide then why don't you actively seek the downfall of all American Nazi groups?

Cuz to me it sounds like your pushing forwaard a double standard....

You musta missed the part above (and everywhere else in this thread) where I said:

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Originally Posted by PatriotNews

What I am calling for is the end of genecide being committed by Islamists to peoples of all other faiths. Is that unreasonable?

And:

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Originally Posted by PatriotNews

Funny how I am suggest that the idiology of Islam be destroyed and everyone assumes the worst. That I am calling for the extermination of 1 billion people. No. I am not. I'm suggesting we could get rid of this so called religion, though. How about we ban it and or covert its followers to other religions or just unbrain wash these turkeys.

Herkdriver · #**137** (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GovernmentCheese

I agree with a lot of that. I will add that we now have Iraq surrounded. I especially agree with the statement that they don't want a Western government taking them over. Nor should we want to. but if they are not willing to stand up and take care of this problem, how long will we let the attacks continue? The crazies will not stop until they get what they want. And it ain't just the Jews out of Israel.

We have Iran surronded. Will we ever again? Will we ever need to? How many sortees do you think it would take to knock their infrastructure out?

There is a culture of death surrounding the Jihad movement. I'm not dismissing this as nothing. I'm not an advocate for a complete withdrawal of U.S. personnel from Iraq and certainly not Afghanistan either where we have ISAF contingency support. I just don't think it is necessary to extend this to all of Islam. So really, my overall point is the title of this thread.

Should Islam be destroyed?

I give a resounding NEGATIVE to that.

Religious freedoms should extend Globally not just within the borders of our own America.

raytri · #**138** (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GovernmentCheese

We have Iran surronded. Will we ever again? Will we ever need to? How many sortees do you think it would take to knock their infrastructure out?

You can't win wars with airpower alone. Knocking out power stations isn't going to eliminate Islam. Indeed, such a move would *increase* Muslim radicalization, not decrease it.

War isn't a video game. Religion isn't something you can stamp out.

DanishDynamite · #**139** (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PatriotNews

Again, another person who draws some retarded moral equivalance between a destructive murderous ideology and a faith of enumerous acts of human generousity and selflessness.

All religions are a departure from rationality. And humanity would be best off without believing in the irrational, not least magic Sky Daddies.

Which particular irrationality were you refering to above?

GovernmentCheese · #**140** (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DanishDynamite

No, I must admit I don't. Just looked it up in the Merriam-Webster dictionary and the Dictionary.com. They didn't know either. Could you explain this word you seem to have invented?

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Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, "protected people," are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, is part of the law that global jihadists are laboring to impose everywhere, ultimately on the entire human race.

The dhimmi attitude of chastened subservience has entered into Western academic study of Islam, and from there into journalism, textbooks, and the popular discourse. One must not point out the depredations of jihad and dhimmitude; to do so would offend the multiculturalist ethos that prevails everywhere today.

http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

One thing dhimmitude requires is that all non-Muslims under Sharia pay an extra tax to Allah among other things.

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So what you are saying is that some Muslims wish to see Sharia Law instituted across the world? If so, we are in agreement on that point. The Muslims who so wish are the Islamists, the militaristic fundies which make up a tiny fraction of all people of the Islam faith. They make up probably as great a proportion of the Muslim population and represent Islam probably as much as the Creationist do Christianity.

If the most powerful Muslim clerics are saying 'jihad" and institute Sharia then there is a problem isn't there? Well you tell me if they are tiny numbers of "militaristic fundies". I keep hearing from the Liberals that we create more and more terrorists everyday. So is it a tiny number or not?

Except Creationists arent going around beheading anyone. Agreed?

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