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All religions are a departure from rationality.
Rationality is often a departure from reality.....
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Again, another person who draws some retarded moral equivalance between a destructive murderous ideology and a faith of enumerous acts of human generousity and selflessness.
Let's see. Which faith did the following quote issue from: "Slay them all. God will know his own"?

Christianity has a murderous history. To its credit, it has largely overcome that. But it's not hard to understand why nonChristians (and reflective Christians) don't see a great deal of difference in the current behavior of Islamic extremists and the past behavior of the Christian establishment.

The Army of God and the Westboro Baptist Church do not represent all Christians, any more than the Jihadists represent all Muslims. Do not impose a double standard on Islam.
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A person's perception of reality is often inaccurate and incorrect.

Like yours?
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No moreso than yours. Possibly less, depending of the 'topic'.
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http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

One thing dhimmitude requires is that all non-Muslims under Sharia pay an extra tax to Allah among other things.



If the most powerful Muslim clerics are saying 'jihad" and institute Sharia then there is a problem isn't there? Well you tell me if they are tiny numbers of "militaristic fundies". I keep hearing from the Liberals that we create more and more terrorists everyday. So is it a tiny number or not?

Except Creationists arent going around beheading anyone. Agreed?
2,000 pound bombs or even a 500 lb. bomb, dropped by an F/A-18 or B-1 does not discriminate between innocent person and Jihadist. There is no such thing as a smart bomb.
The zone of collateral damage has a radius of 300 yards in many instances.

Think for a moment how an Iraqi must think after having a son or daughter killed by a weapon meant to liberate them?

They would grow to hate us.

So while we condemn the Jihadist who uses human shields, decapitates civilian contract workers, uses a Mosque as a weapons cache, and kills their fellow Muslim...by the same token, we ourselves are brutal.

That is the ambiguity of warfare.

There is no purity in it.

It is of course necessary sometimes, but it's something to really ponder before committing action.

It is like killing a person just to cure them of cancer.
That maybe a poor analogy, but it's late in the day and I'm tired.

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There is a culture of death surrounding the Jihad movement. I'm not dismissing this as nothing. I'm not an advocate for a complete withdrawal of U.S. personnel from Iraq and certainly not Afghanistan either where we have ISAF contingency support. I just don't think it is necessary to extend this to all of Islam. So really, my overall point is the title of this thread.

Should Islam be destroyed?

I give a resounding NEGATIVE to that.

Religious freedoms should extend Globally not just within the borders of our own America.
I agree and was never contending that Islam should be destroyed. Perhaps the MNF can rebound in Iraq here this week. I've seen good signs.
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2,000 pound bombs or even a 500 lb. bomb, dropped by an F/A-18 or B-1 does not discriminate between innocent person and Jihadist. There is no such thing as a smart bomb.
The zone of collateral damage has a radius of 300 yards in many instances.

Think for a moment how an Iraqi must think after having a son or daughter killed by a weapon meant to liberate them?

They would grow to hate us.

So while we condemn the Jihadist who uses human shields, decapitates civilian contract workers, uses a Mosque as a weapons cache, and kills their fellow Muslim...by the same token, we ourselves are brutal.

That is the ambiguity of warfare.

There is no purity in it.

It is of course necessary sometimes, but it's something to really ponder before committing action.

It is like killing a person just to cure them of cancer.
That maybe a poor analogy, but it's late in the day and I'm tired.

take care.

Yeah but I was a ground guy so I think thats the only way of doing it the right way. Have a good evening.
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Let's see. Which faith did the following quote issue from: "Slay them all. God will know his own"?

Christianity has a murderous history. To its credit, it has largely overcome that. But it's not hard to understand why nonChristians (and reflective Christians) don't see a great deal of difference in the current behavior of Islamic extremists and the past behavior of the Christian establishment.

The Army of God and the Westboro Baptist Church do not represent all Christians, any more than the Jihadists represent all Muslims. Do not impose a double standard on Islam.
Raytri that is from the Old Testament. I think God telling Israel how they must deal with the land of Canaan?
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